Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?

[Ravenshire]

For clarification before I respond to this, do you believe that the personality, the essential "you" is a product of the soul?

This is a discussion that could get very involved, I'll give you the short of it. The Bible states time and again that God looks at the heart of man, not his physical body, that includes the brain. The soul is the heart of man, it is who we are. God made the body but created the soul and thus the soul last forever. We do not need the body to be us. The soul is an entity separate from the entire physical body. Hope all this makes sense for you.

In light of the bolded passages above, it makes no sense at all. How do you explain the very real cases of personality changes in people who have suffered traumatic brain injuries? If the soul is "who we are" and it is "separate from the entire body," how can a brain injury cause us to become different people?

Alterations in personality and behavior following traumatic brain injury (TBI) are examined in a review of the literature. Research suggests that changes in personality and behavior could be caused by the injury at an organic level, as well as the patient's response to the injury and the subsequent deficits that are experienced.

How can something completely separate from the physical body be affected in any way by a physical injury?

God doesn't treat people like rubbish, people choose hell and God gives them what they chose. If they do not want to spend eternity with God then He will not force them. The scriptures tell us once a person dies his/her chances are over, that's the end point, you're judged and given the punishment you chose for disobedience. God deals in eternal things not temporal.

GC

So, after 80 years or so (I use that number since it's the reasonable expectation for a "normal" life span), if we haven't "found gawd," we're fucked. Even those of us who earnestly sought and never received an answer? That is not the action of a "loving gawd," nor is it the act of a "just gawd." If any god exists, I'll bet you wouldn't recognize it if it came up and introduced itself. The gawd you describe is a petulant child that murders it's pets for displeasing it.

So, an eternal being gives us just 80 years or so to figure it out. If we don't do so to it's satisfaction we "choose" hell. Hell is an infinite punishment for a finite crime. Is that about right?

 You use the phrase "figure it out," I find that strange because it sounds like one has to use a standard method to come to know God. It happens in many different ways for many different people. You might get tired of hearing Drich saying seek Him out, but it is true and that simple. People try and over complicate the process, you see God made it simple because there are those who for the lack of a better phrase, simple minded and can't process complicated things. This is a spiritual process not one of the mind, hope that covers the 80 years. The only requirement for salvation is to accept Jesus Christ for who He is and what He did for us and it was done of His on free will. You like me have never really had to choose hell, it was our eternal destination. We choose to be freed from that destination through the work of Jesus Christ. You have to understand that God only deals in the eternal because He is eternal and any sin that one commits is eternal because it's against the eternal God. If sin goes unforgiven the sin remains for eternity. Christ died and took our punishment so we wouldn't have to suffer that punishment and God says we have to accept who Christ is and what He did on our behalf to receive that forgiveness. So nothing is finite with God, He created an eternal soul and that will be judged or forgiven according to our choice, this is one choice God will not make for any man, it belongs to each of us alone. Have a good weekend.

GC

Yes, I used "figure it out" as a shorthand term. As I've told you in the past and as I've told drippy, I did seek. With every fiber of my being, on bended knee I sought. I cried out in prayer. I wanted to believe. Who wouldn't want to given all the claims made by you religious folk. Your books tells us to "Seek and ye shall find. Ask and it shall be given unto you." The problem is, I sought and found nothing. I asked and was given nothing.

You've got this sick, twisted belief burning inside you that we are all somehow worthy of hell, no matter what. That we are, in a sense, branded by "sin." Is it really because (allegedly) some nekkid lady picked a choice bit of fruit and ate it, gaining the knowledge of good and evil by doing so? Or, is it just a made up disease, created for the sole purpose of selling you the only cure?

GC, your belief in an ancient war god and it's alleged progeny has you by the short and curlies. You claim to have an open mind, so I'm going to make you a challenge. For one month, direct all your prayers, all your devotion, all your faith and all your belief to a gallon jug of milk. I'm betting that all your returns will be exactly the same as they are now.

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In another post you denied being a science denier. Have you come around on the subject of evolution yet?

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You are not worthy of hell, GC. No matter what you done or haven't done. No one is ever deserving of eternal suffering. Throw off your shackles and lose your fear. There's nothing to be afraid of.