Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?

[Godscreated]

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I do not have to {prove God is real}, all I'm required to do is tell people why I believe. It is and always has been God's responsibility to prove himself to people, you went to church you should know this.

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I only went to Sunday School a few times because a friend of mine was going.  Got bored and dropped out.

Since your imaginary friend doesn't seem to be interested in proving its existence to me, I'm not interested in looking for it either.  I'm proceeding on the assumption that it's imaginary.

What do you think you will do when you find out he is real. it want be what you're thinking right now.
 

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There are no other gods only the living creator God of the Bible. It wouldn't matter what I said you wouldn't accept it, we both know this, you are not fooling anyone with this line of questioning, except maybe yourself.

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You are correct in that your words hold no weight whatsoever with me.  I require actual testable physical evidence, and this is something that you clearly do not possess.

You are right I do not have testable physical evidence you will accept. I have it, it was given to me by God for me, you see I asked questions within God's will.

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Since you feel that way let me make this very clear to you, God holds you personally responsible for all the sins you commit against Him and it they go unforgiven you will find out how real hell is, this is according to the scriptures.

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An imaginary god cannot hold anyone responsible for anything, so I'm not unduly concerned.  Furthermore, I've already taken a vow to go to hell in the exceedingly unlikely prospect that such a place as hell actually exists.  If I'm unfortunate enough to get saddled with eternal life, something that I do not value at all, at least I can spend it easing the suffering that your god is inflicting on others.  I refuse to worship a god that would create a hell.

You should be more than concerned, you are gambling on an eternity of life. If you are that determined on going to hell then why are you even talking with me, I can't understand that mentality? There's no unfortunate about it, God created the soul to never die, you are in it forever. God will not be inflicting suffering on others, they will have chosen their suffering and actually causing their own torment. You see I do not think hell is a place of fire, it will be much worse and each will make his/her own tormented hell. Hell is the just response to unforgiven sin and the justice that comes from rejecting the loving God's offer of eternal life with Him.

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Prove it's mythology.

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Talking Snake™, a flood that never happened, an exodus from Egypt that never happened, virgin birth, people coming back from the dead, and a dragon so large that it can knock a third of the stars out of the sky with its tail.  If that's not mythology, I don't know what is.

Do you know the difference between a snake and a legged serpent, there was a world wide flood, you've just accepted science that doesn't want it to be true. The Exodus did happen, the Egyptians were great at erasing any history that didn't suit them, they even did it at times from one ruler to another. Christ is the only one to this point that has died and come back to an eternal life, everyone else has or will die. I see you have a hard time with prophecy, the dragon is a representation of a being so powerful that we can't begin to comprehend that kind of power. You know what mythology is the Greeks and Romans had plenty of it, but in the case of scripture it is all true.

He loves you no matter what you say about Him.

 

Apparently your god doesn't love nearly enough.  If hell exists, the suffering of even one person in such a place is a deal-breaker for me.  I simply cannot love your god under those circumstances.

God did not want anyone going to hell, he sacrificed so that we wouldn't have to. Those who wind up in eternal torment choose their destination, get made at them. You're making no sense at all, what is if you run a red light and someone slams into you because their light was green, you're blaming them for choosing to continue on their way because their light was green. You are also saying that you refuse to love God because someone else refused to love Him. I guess you would jump of the bridge because someone else did.

Faith first, then belief, then knowledge.

I am neurologically incapable of religious faith.  I'm not joking:  My brain automatically rejects claims that do not make sense, and I've been that way since I was a child.

That may be so, and I'm not joking, coming into a relationship with God has nothing to do with the brain, it is a spiritual connection. We have a soul for that very purpose. The brain part come after the belief. You see even on a point you think justifies your position you actually have neither the point nor position as you defense with God. You can try and justify your disbelief to me all you want but, it will hold no weight with God at judgment.

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I do not understand why you are so hostile toward God and His people?

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Christianity is an extremely destructive belief system that undermines self-esteem and maturity at the psychological level, and ravages cultural communities at the sociopolitical level.   There is nearly two millennia of blood on your collective hands, including the blood of some of my own ancestors' friends and neighbours.

Christianity has never been destructive to me and my family, nor the many Christians we know. Our self-esteem is high and our maturity is at a high level psychologically and our communities are doing well. You see only what you want to see and believe that everyone who calls themselves a Christian is one. Sure there are rotten apples in all barrels and when it comes to the Christian barrel atheist only focus on the rotten ones and wear blinders to all the Christians who do the good work of God in their communities and nation or even around the world. Most Christians do the same with atheist and I do not believe either is treating the other fairly. I personally take the atheist here one by one, I generally pay little attention to the bad apples and have long decent conversations with the ones that I see as good people.

Jesus chose it, why can't you see that. I would die for my love ones for the reason Jesus died for you, LOVE. God did not punish Jesus, man did that, God allowed what Christ chose to do.

I reject the so-called sacrifice anyway.  The whole sordid scenario repulses me to the core of my being, and I have no intention of ever accepting it.

See what I mean, your statement above shows you choose eternal punishment. You are letting your brain silence what your soul wants, that is another excuse God will not listen to. He as done everything but force you to be a Christian and that He will never do. 

Like I have said time and again God is eternal and all sin is against His eternal nature and thus judgment is eternal. He will simply forgive you if you will accept what Christ did, not just on the cross but the entire time He was on earth.

No.  Unconditionally rejected.  Shall I seal the deal by slandering the Holy Spirit?

You are doing that already, the deal will be sealed at your death, it doesn't have to though.

God doesn't hold the power over your choice of eternal life or eternal punishment, He could but then He wouldn't be God. God is an eternal being who has always existed, who created the universe and made the greatest sacrifice for mankind. God is omnipresent, do you know what this means as related to Him?

What a ludicrous pile of excuses.  You can't do it, can you?  You really can't do it.  You seem to be utterly mentally incapable of even hypothetically entertaining the idea that your god is the abuser in this whole ridiculous story.  You can't allow even the slightest whiff of bad to touch your "loving" imaginary friend, so instead you blame the billions of mortals who are at the mercy of an eternal, omnipresent rat-bastard god.

I'm not making excuses, and no I will not entertain that thought because I know for a fact it's not true. You are right though I'm mentally incapable because God has proven Himself to me, you could have the same proof if you would let your soul guide you for awhile. You and the other atheist are the ones that are condemning God, while God allows you to do that to yourselves. God is not imaginary nor is He touchable, God is Holy putting Him beyond us. People are at their own mercy as you put it, those who reject Christ show no mercy for themselves and those who accept Christ have mercy bestowed upon them by our loving God.
 Why can't you all answer my question about the omnipresence of God, atheist here claim they are smarter than Christians, yet not one of you will answer my question, strange, yes very strange. I put it in bold above to remind you if you want to take a crack at it.

I'm not beyond hope, I have hope. God has proven himself to me in real ways, ways you wouldn't accept if I explained them to you, I know I've tried.

That's because your personal testimony is of no evidentiary value whatsoever in my eyes.

As long as God approves of my testimony then I've do alright.

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God is love, it is who He is. There are no victims when choice is involved so you can just get over the victim thing.

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You have an utterly bizarre idea of what love is.  And keep on blaming those victims, GC -- That hole you're in is just getting deeper and deeper.

I know what love is and it isn't bizarre, I've seen it in action from God and I've accepted that love given for me through the life of Jesus. I'm not in a hole i see things clearly because God has given me eyes that see things through Christ's eyes. Know what I was just thinking about that earlier and it was because I was looking at myself through Christ's eyes. I got a long ways to go.

My hope, faith, belief and knowledge are all built on the foundation of stone laid down by Christ and no amount of anything will ever change that. All I need is God and everything else will be taken care of in some manner. You can lift the whole world against me and it wouldn't make a difference, god has promised me protection. A person might kill this body, but God has my soul in His protective hands and it will be placed in a new body one day, an indestructible one.

Nope.  Eventually you will simply die, and at that moment everything you ever believed will be gone forever.  Your hope, as a close friend of mind is wont to say, is the denial of reality.

 
  Yes, definitely yes. Yes my body will die just as your's will, but our souls will continue on forever, mine will have a new body to live in, one that nothing can hurt, what about you.

GC

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You have the choice of Jesus if you will take it, and what do you mean your inability to be a scapegoat, nowhere in the bible does it say man will be a scapegoat. You are suppose to learn the lessons here, not after you die.

But I don't.  I can't choose to believe or accept something as supposedly important and life-changing as christianity when I see no evidence or proof, and delve into the history of christianity and see how the believers lie and misrepresent to further their cause.  That's one of the lessons I've learned here.

 
 You have not seen me lie to you or anyone else here. Yes it is your choice and only your choice, there has be plenty of true witness for Christ on this site and you have said so yourself, you have no excuse before God at Judgment. Just because we differ on some aspects of Christianity I haven't seen where we disagree on how one can be saved and when it gets down to it that is truly all that matters, God takes over from there. I answered this one because I thought I might have posted it to you, the others you can reaad because I'm posting to everyone who replied over the weekend.
GC