Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?

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This is a discussion that could get very involved, I'll give you the short of it. The Bible states time and again that God looks at the heart of man, not his physical body, that includes the brain. The soul is the heart of man, it is who we are. God made the body but created the soul and thus the soul last forever. We do not need the body to be us. The soul is an entity separate from the entire physical body. Hope all this makes sense for you.

In light of the bolded passages above, it makes no sense at all. How do you explain the very real cases of personality changes in people who have suffered traumatic brain injuries? If the soul is "who we are" and it is "separate from the entire body," how can a brain injury cause us to become different people?

They happen but that has nothing to do with a spiritual relationship with God. I'm speaking spiritually not our physical make-up. Christ said, what is it for a man to gain the whole world yet lose his soul. Christ wasn't speaking of the eternal as the physical, and He was definitely telling us that the soul and physical body are separate. what you posted in blue below shows a physical change can happen when the brain is injured and it shows that a process of the self can influence that change, can you say for certainty that is not an influence of the soul in some cases. The purpose of the soul is for us to be able to know there is God.

International Journal of Emergency Mental Health and Human Resilience]Alterations in personality and behavior following traumatic brain injury (TBI) are examined in a review of the literature. Research suggests that changes in personality and behavior could be caused by the injury at an organic level, as well as the patient's response to the injury and the subsequent deficits that are experienced.

How can something completely separate from the physical body be affected in any way by a physical injury?

The soul want be changed by a brain injury specifically because it is separate from the body. The soul is how we will know God is speaking to us as long as we (the physical person) will listen. The soul will seek God if the physical self will co-operate, it does take both to gain salvation. I wish I were better able to explain what I know, you probably couldn't have picked a harder point to discuss.

God doesn't treat people like rubbish, people choose hell and God gives them what they chose. If they do not want to spend eternity with God then He will not force them. The scriptures tell us once a person dies his/her chances are over, that's the end point, you're judged and given the punishment you chose for disobedience. God deals in eternal things not temporal.

GC

So, after 80 years or so (I use that number since it's the reasonable expectation for a "normal" life span), if we haven't "found gawd," we're fucked. Even those of us who earnestly sought and never received an answer? That is not the action of a "loving gawd," nor is it the act of a "just gawd." If any god exists, I'll bet you wouldn't recognize it if it came up and introduced itself. The gawd you describe is a petulant child that murders it's pets for displeasing it.

Please understand I can't know that you made the earnest attempt, I do not have that power. I do know when you were making an attempt that I could have been there to help you understand what was going on, I wasn't so I can't really say much. I do know this, one can not find God until God (the Holy Spirit) calls you, Jesus taught this very thing to His disciples and I will look it up if you want me to. I believe this to mean that God knows when we will be ready to accept Christ as Lord and Savior, and what I mean is that we will accept Him for the right reasons. Some of those reasons could be hidden from our understanding for years after we accept Christ as savior, I know that reasons are being shown me even now that I never even thought about before. That's why you have probably heard that it is in God's timing, it's true in the case of salvation, God knows best. I've asked others and I want to ask you, do you know what omnipresent means as it pertains to God? I only came to a true understanding of it about a tear ago, why, because I wasn't ready to understand all of it's meaning until I had grown enough in Christ.
Believe me God is loving and much more so than any of us can understand. Yes I and all mankind will recognize God, there will be no mistaken that, we will be made aware of His full glory at that time and the saved and unsaved alike will see Him as He really is, far greater than we could ever imagine. God in all actuality owns us and we have always be at His mercy in some way, but as far as hell goes that is our choice alone, not even God will make that one for us. 

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 You use the phrase "figure it out," I find that strange because it sounds like one has to use a standard method to come to know God. It happens in many different ways for many different people. You might get tired of hearing Drich saying seek Him out, but it is true and that simple. People try and over complicate the process, you see God made it simple because there are those who for the lack of a better phrase, simple minded and can't process complicated things. This is a spiritual process not one of the mind, hope that covers the 80 years. The only requirement for salvation is to accept Jesus Christ for who He is and what He did for us and it was done of His on free will. You like me have never really had to choose hell, it was our eternal destination. We choose to be freed from that destination through the work of Jesus Christ. You have to understand that God only deals in the eternal because He is eternal and any sin that one commits is eternal because it's against the eternal God. If sin goes unforgiven the sin remains for eternity. Christ died and took our punishment so we wouldn't have to suffer that punishment and God says we have to accept who Christ is and what He did on our behalf to receive that forgiveness. So nothing is finite with God, He created an eternal soul and that will be judged or forgiven according to our choice, this is one choice God will not make for any man, it belongs to each of us alone. Have a good weekend.

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GC

Yes, I used "figure it out" as a shorthand term. As I've told you in the past and as I've told drippy, I did seek. With every fiber of my being, on bended knee I sought. I cried out in prayer. I wanted to believe. Who wouldn't want to given all the claims made by you religious folk. Your books tells us to "Seek and ye shall find. Ask and it shall be given unto you." The problem is, I sought and found nothing. I asked and was given nothing.

Let me ask you this, sincerely, why do you purposely misspell God and us the term drippy? As I said earlier in the post I can't say if you did or did not, but I choose to believe you. I choose to believe you because I know that God will call to you at the time He knows is best, that's why I asked you about omnipresent. Why would God call you before you were be ready to commit to Him in a manner that would have you to never lose your faith. I've seen people try to talk others into salvation and I've seen the results of that and most of the time it isn't good. I would never try and talk you into salvation, first because it is not mine to offer that's why I keep saying that is God's work, but I will as I try to do here is encourage you and anyone else that might want it. I certainly would have encouraged you back when you were trying to communicate with God. See I don't even know whether those that were around you did or even if they tried to help in any way, I'm pretty sure they didn't explain to you what I have in that it all is in God's perfect timing. Question did you ask people for what was going on that you didn't get a response from God? If you were expecting something that God couldn't give you when you were asking or expecting Christianity to be a certain way that it's not then when that didn't happen you would have become discouraged and left God. God knows when and a person has to be patient. Something else I hope will help explain what I'm saying about the soul, The soul is who we are in relation to God, our brain can't conceive of who God is and without the soul we would be as lost as a stray dog.  

You've got this sick, twisted belief burning inside you that we are all somehow worthy of hell, no matter what. That we are, in a sense, branded by "sin." Is it really because (allegedly) some nekkid lady picked a choice bit of fruit and ate it, gaining the knowledge of good and evil by doing so? Or, is it just a made up disease, created for the sole purpose of selling you the only cure?

Sorry but it's not twisted and we are condemned if we do not choose to be freed of the eternal punishment, but better yet choose to accept the love of Christ and then know the eternal punishment has nothing to do with us. Those like me that sought first to keep out of hell struggle and sometimes never grow in Christ, it was many years before I realized I wasn't able to grow because I was happy with the status quo. God continued working with me until I realized that Christianity was much more and better than just staying out of hell. Yes Adam and Eve are why we are condemned, we are born with a sin nature. Adam and Eve caused all people for all time to lose the sinless nature we could have been born with, but in some kind of defense of them, if it hadn't of been them it would have soon happened, Lucifer wasn't going down without a fight and his whole desire was to hurt God and grow the rebellion to help him to take God's throne, silly little serpent was blinded by his own hate. But people need to know that God gave us a way out as long as we were willing to accept His plan through Christ. When He flooded the world He could have easily enough of taken Noah and his family with the flood waters, then folded up the universe and gone home, but He didn't, His love saved us all for another chance and that chance cost Him dearly and when a person recognizes that, well I believe they are close to being called. As much as most atheist here want to believe I'm trying to sell them a made up disease and a made up cure, I'm not it's all very real and one day those who refuse to believe will find out I was telling the truth. Why would I lie about this, why would I spend so many years on this forum if it were not true, all the time I've spent here has cost me several pieces of furniture I could have built. You all think it's easy being a Christian and it's not and God never promised us it would be. You all need to remember we still have that old nature to sin and it nags at us all the time, God's allowed Satan to tempt us and we have to remember to count on God to help us resist, it will help us in the long run, but nevertheless we will deal with this to the day we die.

GC, your belief in an ancient war god and it's alleged progeny has you by the short and curlies. You claim to have an open mind, so I'm going to make you a challenge. For one month, direct all your prayers, all your devotion, all your faith and all your belief to a gallon jug of milk. I'm betting that all your returns will be exactly the same as they are now.

Nope, I want waste my time on denying my God because that is exactly what I would be doing, I'm stronger than you might think and I know the real truth and that's what gives me the strength and knowledge not to be fooled. I'm going to take it you meant well by that, but you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink, know why, he knows when he's thirsty, understand?

In another post you denied being a science denier. Have you come around on the subject of evolution yet?

I like science and believe in much of it a person would be stupid to deny all science, it's in our every day lives. Evolution will never be a part of my belief because I know creation by God is the truth. Evolution has far to many problems to over come and I know that they will never be over come. I do not believe in the "big bang" as science presents it, science can't ans never will be able to explain where the material came from to have a big bang, can't travel to the past, for us it's gone. I use to study with scientist and professors on this very thing (creation vs big bang, evolution) and I can see for myself the problems that face these theories. I've seen how scientist have had to either add or subtract to equations to get them to meat what physics demands, that's cheating to say the least. You all might hate the Creation Sciences (I don't agree with all they say) but I bet most if not all of you have never given them a good look. Like I said we studied both and creation science answers questions better. If you don't know the creation sciences have some extremely top notch scientist and I watched one of then debate an evolutionist at the our local university and the evolutionary scientist all but embarrassed himself. He did not give his students much to cheer about.

You are not worthy of hell, GC. No matter what you done or haven't done. No one is ever deserving of eternal suffering. Throw off your shackles and lose your fear. There's nothing to be afraid of.

I was and I knew it, it's why I wanted to change my situation. I have nothing to fear and I'm not sure why you think I am afraid, my future is secure for eternity. Everyone who does not accept Christ as their savior will find their eternal destiny is an eternal punishment because their sins are still unforgiven and against the eternal God and thus justice is eternal punishment. God says that any unforgiven sin will cost one their eternal soul as Jesus said, what does it gain a man to gain the whole world yet lose his soul. i'm sure you probably can't see that at this time.... but maybe some day. Thanks for the good conversation.

GC