RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?
August 31, 2017 at 5:54 pm
(This post was last modified: August 31, 2017 at 6:37 pm by Godscreated.)
(August 30, 2017 at 1:29 pm)Astreja Wrote:(August 29, 2017 at 11:51 pm)Godscreated Wrote: What do you think you will do when you find out he is real. it want be what you're thinking right now.
You mean, "if" your god is real. Not concerned.
He is real and you should be concerned. If you spent as much time on looking for God as you do denying Him you might find out He's real.
Quote:You are right I do not have testable physical evidence you will accept. I have it, it was given to me by God for me, you see I asked questions within God's will.
Astreja Wrote:It doesn't sound like your so-called evidence is either physical or testable. Comprehension fail on your part.
It is real just not in a way you would comprehend, God communicates to use through the soul and if you do not listen it's your loss.
Quote:You should be more than concerned, you are gambling on an eternity of life.
Astreja Wrote:Based on what I know about the real world, I wager that the odds of hell actually existing are infinitesimal to zero, and that for all intents and purposes I am in no danger at all.
You are in extreme danger, you want everything to be physical and God is spirit and deals with us in spiritual ways.
Quote:If you are that determined on going to hell then why are you even talking with me, I can't understand that mentality?
Astreja Wrote:Because of the utterly batshit-insane things you say below:
Just because you can't understand what I know for fact is true doesn't make me crazy. Because you do not accept it doesn't make you uninformed.
Quote:There's no unfortunate about it, God created the soul to never die, you are in it forever. God will not be inflicting suffering on others, they will have chosen their suffering and actually causing their own torment. You see I do not think hell is a place of fire, it will be much worse and each will make his/her own tormented hell. Hell is the just response to unforgiven sin and the justice that comes from rejecting the loving God's offer of eternal life with Him.
Astreja Wrote:You are deeply ensnared in a morally untenable religious fantasy. I feel it to be my civic duty to smack down and crush your absurd beliefs publicly to dissuade others from following you down that path. If you post, I shall reply and I shall not be silenced.
I'm by choice ensnared in God's love and reality. Good I'm glad you will engage in conversation even if it is negative. That way those who just visit here and never join can see both sides and make their own decisions.
Quote:Do you know the difference between a snake and a legged serpent, there was a world wide flood, you've just accepted science that doesn't want it to be true. The Exodus did happen, the Egyptians were great at erasing any history that didn't suit them, they even did it at times from one ruler to another. Christ is the only one to this point that has died and come back to an eternal life, everyone else has or will die. I see you have a hard time with prophecy, the dragon is a representation of a being so powerful that we can't begin to comprehend that kind of power. You know what mythology is the Greeks and Romans had plenty of it, but in the case of scripture it is all true.
Astreja Wrote:Hahahahaha! You really are broken. You're addicted to the Bible and you're prepared to deny modern science, history and archaeology to uphold a ridiculous ancient book as "Da Troof."
again I know the truth and I've studied sciences that deal with the flood and evolution, I know more than you might think. I told the truth about Egyptian history, to bad you're not up to date on the history of ancient Egypt. There is evidence of a global flood, there are even stories of a global flood by peoples who aren't even connected with each other when those stories were written.
Quote:God did not want anyone going to hell, he sacrificed so that we wouldn't have to.
Astreja Wrote:Logic fail. A god that didn't want anyone going to hell wouldn't bother to create one. Your god apparently does want someone to suffer there, and if that is the case (although I profoundly doubt the place exists) my duty is to be with that someone and do what I can to ease their pain.
He created one because He is omnipresent, knowing there would be the need for it because justice would be served. God has said He desires no one to enter eternal torment, that doesn't mean He can stop it, you have the free choice to choose. If you are in hell you will not be able to help anyone, you want ever see anyone, the place is in darkness and you will be to busy creating your own torment, but not all of it because even though you want see anyone else you will be able to hear the agony they are causing themselves.
Quote:You're making no sense at all, what is if you run a red light and someone slams into you because their light was green, you're blaming them for choosing to continue on their way because their light was green.
Astreja Wrote:Traffic accidents are real. Your god and its hell, until demonstrated to my satisfaction, are fictional.
You want to know about God and hell, then go to Him and find out. Hell is as real as a traffic accident, besides I was referring to you blaming God for those who will be there, how do you even conceive such when God refuses to make the choice for them.
Quote:You are also saying that you refuse to love God because someone else refused to love Him. I guess you would jump of the bridge because someone else did.
Astreja Wrote:I would indeed jump off a bridge rather than spend eternity with your demon-god and its zombie son while billions of sentient beings cry out in agony. I cannot feel any love for a god that would permit such suffering.
How is it you can't see that the scriptures given to us by God shows that the people will choose their own eternal destiny, probably because you listen to the uneducated who believe they know everything about the Bible. It' for sure you have never taken the time to find out on your own, you've admitted to that.
Quote:That may be so, and I'm not joking, coming into a relationship with God has nothing to do with the brain, it is a spiritual connection. We have a soul for that very purpose. The brain part come after the belief. You see even on a point you think justifies your position you actually have neither the point nor position as you defense with God. You can try and justify your disbelief to me all you want but, it will hold no weight with God at judgment.
Astreja Wrote:Judgment Day is just a revenge-fantasy. It won't happen.
That is wishful thinking on your part, why, because you have no certainty of what you profess. I on the other hand do have certainty it's why I keep this conversation going.
Quote:Yes, definitely yes. Yes my body will die just as your's will, but our souls will continue on forever, mine will have a new body to live in, one that nothing can hurt, what about you.
Astreja Wrote:Nope. One day you will die. Your body will either be cremated or rot in the ground. You will never, ever get a new body to live in. You will not reunite with lost loved ones. Death is the end of you, and there is literally no prayer in the universe strong enough to save you.
Embrace the darkness. It awaits you. It awaits us all.
One day I will die and most likely be cremated, that's my choice but want be able to make it so, that depends on others. I will have a new body that will never die, get sick, hunger, have pain or anything we might call discomfort, that's be promised to me. Yes one prayer is all it took, because I had answered God's call.
Unfortunately if you do not change the darkness will be your's and you will be surrounded by those who are there and never be able to interact with them in any way, the screams of their own self inflicted torment will be your's forever.
GC
(August 30, 2017 at 3:39 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:(August 29, 2017 at 11:51 pm)Godscreated Wrote:
You have not seen me lie to you or anyone else here. Yes it is your choice and only your choice, there has been plenty of true witness for Christ on this site and you have said so yourself, you have no excuse before God at Judgment. Just because we differ on some aspects of Christianity I haven't seen where we disagree on how one can be saved and when it gets down to it that is truly all that matters, God takes over from there. I answered this one because I thought I might have posted it to you, the others you can read because I'm posting to everyone who replied over the weekend.
GC
Really!? I said that? Where?
I would say we roundly disagree. There is no salvation, because there is no sin, because there is no Jesus, because your god doesn't exist.
Every time you complain about us being here. God says only a fool would deny sin and He meant on many different levels. You place a hope in those things you posted above, because you know if Christians are right hell awaits those who refuse to believe.
(August 29, 2017 at 11:51 pm)Godscreated Wrote: You have not seen me lie to you or anyone else here.
GC
Harry N Wrote:Then show us your testable evidence for god. You said you have it.
I've never said I have testable evidence.
GC
(August 30, 2017 at 8:26 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:(August 29, 2017 at 11:51 pm)Godscreated Wrote: You have not seen me lie to you or anyone else here. Yes it is your choice and only your choice, there has be plenty of true witness for Christ on this site and you have said so yourself, you have no excuse before God at Judgment. Just because we differ on some aspects of Christianity I haven't seen where we disagree on how one can be saved and when it gets down to it that is truly all that matters, God takes over from there. I answered this one because I thought I might have posted it to you, the others you can reaad because I'm posting to everyone who replied over the weekend.
GC
You lie every time you claim opinion is fact.
That's only an opinion by you, so does that make you a liar, you can't prove what I say isn't fact.
GC
(August 30, 2017 at 8:01 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:(August 29, 2017 at 11:51 pm)Godscreated Wrote: What do you think you will do when you find out he is real. it want be what you're thinking right now.
You are right I do not have testable physical evidence you will accept. I have it, it was given to me by God for me, you see I asked questions within God's will.
How stupid. And what will you do when you find out it's all bullshit? You won't.
And you have no testable evidence. We'd probably accept it if you did. But I'm sure you just re-define testable and evidence to your own special definition.
I will be in heaven, no doubts. The evidence given me was for me on a personal level, I tested it and it has shown to be true, you would never comprehend it in the state you live in now. Sorry that's the way it is in this case.
(August 25, 2017 at 12:52 am)Godscreated Wrote: I was broken, Christ is in the process of rebuilding me daily. Without what He did on our behalf we all would stay broken spiritually and like I said before spiritually is how God deals with us in the end. You can call Him what you want but He chose to do it for you, a gift of eternal enormity.
GC
Harry N Wrote:I got news for you. You're still broken.
I'll always be broken because I'm not perfect. I'm just not broken in the same way, the way that leads to hell.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.