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Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?
(September 1, 2017 at 12:17 am)Astreja Wrote:
(August 31, 2017 at 5:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote: He is real and you should be concerned. If you spent as much time on looking for God as you do denying Him you might find out He's real.

I do not believe you.  I believe that you are worshipping a figment of your own imagination, which is the only place one can actually find gods.

Your belief doesn't mean much, the reality is God exists and is worthy of worship.

Quote:God communicates to use through the soul and if you do not listen it's your loss.

Astreja Wrote:What you're calling "the soul" is almost certainly just a mixture of emotion and imagination.

Almost certainty means you do not know, I do because my soul communicates with God.

Quote:You are in extreme danger, you want everything to be physical and God is spirit and deals with us in spiritual ways.
 
Astreja Wrote:I see no danger whatsoever.  "Spiritual" is just a fancy term for "imaginary."

Just because you're blind to it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Unfortunately many didn't see the danger in Harvey and they had previous warning, too. are you saying that the atheist that have spiritual encounters with nature are just imagining they had some sort of experience? If yes I agree.

Quote:Just because you can't understand what I know for fact is true doesn't make me crazy. Because you do not accept it doesn't make you uninformed.

 
Astreja Wrote:You have an utterly warped idea of what "fact" and "true" actually means.  You may not be clinically insane, but I wouldn't trust you with anything important because of the way you've muddled up fact and fantasy.

I fully understand facts and truth, they are a part of my daily life. I've been trusted by others with important things and they have come back and asked me to do others and that's all that really matters to me.

Quote:I'm by choice ensnared in God's love and reality. Good I'm glad you will engage in conversation even if it is negative. That way those who just visit here and never join can see both sides and make their own decisions.

Astreja Wrote:And how do you think that's going?  For all you or I can really know, you could be turning people away from your beliefs rather than converting them.

I'm not trying to convert them that job belongs to God. I give out the of God's word and then it's up to them. It's not for me to know the results of God's work through me, the important thing is He does His work and I'm blessed to be chosen by the creator of the universe to be involved.

Quote:again I know the truth and I've studied sciences that deal with the flood and evolution, I know more than you might think. I told the truth about Egyptian history, to bad you're not up to date on the history of ancient Egypt. There is evidence of a global flood, there are even stories of a global flood by peoples who aren't even connected with each other when those stories were written.

Astreja Wrote:Did you go to a Bible college rather than a real university, perchance?  I know of no legitimate geological evidence for a global flood, but I've heard all manner of ridiculous apologetics.  There literally is not enough water on this planet to flood it to the summit of Mount Everest.  (I do hope that you don't believe that the world is only 6000 years old, either, because that's utter nonsense.)

Bible colleges are institutions of higher learning. Some even teach evolution and that is unfortunate and I do not support them. As for my education it has come from many sources including evolution based teaching, knowing both sides gives me choices and educated ones at that.

Answer/question to the above bold by me.
Have you taken the time to study what you call "ridiculous apologetics," I've taken the time to at the least expose myself to the evolutionary arguments and geological teaching of why there was no flood?
There are mountains covered by the ocean that are higher than Everest. The Bible even tells us that Pangea existed at the time of the flood and that there was only one ocean. Pangea split apart because of the flood and thus the higher mountains were then formed and the waters receded into the great valleys that were formed by this up rising of land. All that water is still with us today, no magic was needed to get rid of it, just the awesome power of our God. 

I do believe in a young earth, it could be a little older than 6000 years but not a great deal.

Quote:He created one because He is omnipresent, knowing there would be the need for it because justice would be served. God has said He desires no one to enter eternal torment, that doesn't mean He can stop it, you have the free choice to choose. If you are in hell you will not be able to help anyone, you want ever see anyone, the place is in darkness and you will be to busy creating your own torment, but not all of it because even though you want see anyone else you will be able to hear the agony they are causing themselves.

Astreja Wrote:Just a grossly abusive scare tactic used by evangelists to prey on vulnerable people.  Shameful, shameful behaviour.

I didn't know you were vulnerable, sorry to scare you. I bring up hell and it's horror when it enters the conversation and I would be dishonest not to inform others of what I know.

Quote:You want to know about God and hell, then go to Him and find out. Hell is as real as a traffic accident, besides I was referring to you blaming God for those who will be there, how do you even conceive such when God refuses to make the choice for them.

Astreja Wrote:That's like asking me to go visit Batman.  Seriously.

If people cannot choose to voluntarily walk out of hell and your god refuses to aid them, it is eternally 100% responsible for their pain.

No it's not, God is real and your disbelief can not change that. "Jail break" that's illegal. "Aiding and abetting" that's illegal.

Quote:How is it you can't see that the scriptures given to us by God shows that the people will choose their own eternal destiny, probably because you listen to the uneducated who believe they know everything about the Bible. It' for sure you have never taken the time to find out on your own, you've admitted to that.

Astreja Wrote:I read the Bible 53 years ago.  I was not impressed.  A book supposedly inspired by a god should be better than that -- a lot better.  The Bible is clearly the work of comparatively uncultured, unscientific and morally underdeveloped people, not the work of an omniscient being.

Really, much of the law today is based from the book you think is worthless. You avoided the question though, instead you allude things people were not capable of being all humans (scientific). They were as cultured for their time as we are for ours, if this world last long enough you and I will be referred to in the future as uncultured. Their morals were just fine, most of them define the better part of today's society.

Quote:I will have a new body that will never die, get sick, hunger, have pain or anything we might call discomfort, that's be promised to me. Yes one prayer is all it took, because I had answered God's call.

Astreja Wrote:I predict that you will never get that new body and that your ashes will just get recycled into the ecosystem.

You will be wrong.

Quote:Unfortunately if  you do not change the darkness will be your's and you will be surrounded by those who are there and never be able to interact with them in any way, the screams of their own self inflicted torment will be your's forever.

Astreja Wrote:Once again, I hold you personally responsible for uttering threats in an attempt to frighten me into debasing my ethics and acquiescing to a proxy human sacrifice.  I think it would be an appropriate punishment for you to have recurring nightmares of your own family and friends trapped in hell, screaming piteously, while your god sits on its throne and ignores your tearful plea for mercy.

 I'm telling you the facts, you can see them anyway you want and you can hold me responsible till the end of time, it changes nothing. What is to come is as real as we are. I'm trying to help you to avoid this hell and then you wish such on me, shame on you. Besides I have a wonderful Christian family that will be in heaven with me. I mean only good for you, by the way have a wonderful weekend.

GC

(September 1, 2017 at 10:57 am)Harry Nevis Wrote:
(August 31, 2017 at 5:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

Every time you complain about us being here. God says only a fool would deny sin and He meant on many different levels. You place a hope in those things you posted above, because you know if Christians are right hell awaits those who refuse to believe.


Weren't you the one who said he never lies on this forum?  You just did.

Sorry sonny, you're wrong, what I stated above is the absolute truth.

(August 31, 2017 at 5:54 pm)Godscreated Wrote:


 I've never said I have testable evidence.

GC


Harry N Wrote:Another lie.  You said you had it, but we wouldn't accept it.

 I said I tested it and you wouldn't accept what I know and that is true. Do you enjoy being wrong so much, that would bother me to no end?

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 5, 2017 at 2:59 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by chimp3 - August 5, 2017 at 3:02 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by chimp3 - August 5, 2017 at 3:10 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Chad32 - August 5, 2017 at 3:07 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by brewer - August 5, 2017 at 3:08 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by chimp3 - August 7, 2017 at 8:38 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by chimp3 - August 8, 2017 at 10:14 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by chimp3 - August 9, 2017 at 5:27 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - August 13, 2017 at 10:11 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 15, 2017 at 3:31 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 15, 2017 at 3:36 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 16, 2017 at 11:17 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 16, 2017 at 3:36 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 16, 2017 at 10:56 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 16, 2017 at 11:04 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 17, 2017 at 3:33 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 17, 2017 at 3:41 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 18, 2017 at 3:22 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 24, 2017 at 10:53 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 19, 2017 at 8:27 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 23, 2017 at 3:26 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 25, 2017 at 12:04 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 24, 2017 at 11:56 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 25, 2017 at 1:17 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 26, 2017 at 12:32 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 30, 2017 at 1:29 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - September 1, 2017 at 12:17 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 1, 2017 at 12:45 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - September 1, 2017 at 3:41 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - September 2, 2017 at 4:58 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 2, 2017 at 5:09 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 1, 2017 at 10:57 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 2, 2017 at 8:07 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - September 4, 2017 at 9:33 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Succubus - September 5, 2017 at 6:08 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Succubus - September 8, 2017 at 9:34 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - September 5, 2017 at 11:44 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 7, 2017 at 10:02 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - September 7, 2017 at 11:20 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 13, 2017 at 9:41 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - September 14, 2017 at 12:12 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 14, 2017 at 3:36 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 14, 2017 at 11:57 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 15, 2017 at 1:41 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 14, 2017 at 10:19 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 15, 2017 at 12:46 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 15, 2017 at 3:25 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 25, 2017 at 12:30 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Succubus - September 25, 2017 at 2:11 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 25, 2017 at 4:55 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 25, 2017 at 9:06 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 26, 2017 at 3:17 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 26, 2017 at 3:32 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 27, 2017 at 12:59 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 28, 2017 at 3:44 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 29, 2017 at 12:50 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 29, 2017 at 2:50 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 30, 2017 at 12:08 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 30, 2017 at 5:16 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - October 5, 2017 at 11:07 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 29, 2017 at 7:52 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 30, 2017 at 12:20 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 27, 2017 at 8:03 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 26, 2017 at 8:00 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 25, 2017 at 3:37 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 25, 2017 at 8:30 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 25, 2017 at 8:38 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 15, 2017 at 11:18 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 14, 2017 at 4:49 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 15, 2017 at 2:45 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 20, 2017 at 8:42 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 7, 2017 at 10:45 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 13, 2017 at 3:01 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 13, 2017 at 3:46 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 13, 2017 at 5:48 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Harry Nevis - September 13, 2017 at 9:33 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 13, 2017 at 5:35 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 24, 2017 at 11:42 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 15, 2017 at 1:26 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Athene - August 5, 2017 at 6:28 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Chad32 - August 9, 2017 at 9:04 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 10, 2017 at 12:07 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 10, 2017 at 12:07 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by chimp3 - August 10, 2017 at 2:31 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Drich - August 11, 2017 at 3:20 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Drich - August 15, 2017 at 1:09 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 16, 2017 at 11:13 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 16, 2017 at 11:18 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 16, 2017 at 11:22 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 17, 2017 at 12:42 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by rado84 - August 22, 2017 at 10:04 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 22, 2017 at 11:03 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 22, 2017 at 11:04 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 23, 2017 at 12:36 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 23, 2017 at 5:17 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Astreja - August 23, 2017 at 10:17 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - August 25, 2017 at 12:48 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 5, 2017 at 6:18 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Succubus - September 5, 2017 at 6:45 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 5, 2017 at 6:49 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Succubus - September 6, 2017 at 6:13 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 7, 2017 at 9:25 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 8, 2017 at 10:43 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 8, 2017 at 10:46 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 14, 2017 at 7:22 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Fake Messiah - September 14, 2017 at 7:59 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 15, 2017 at 12:04 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 15, 2017 at 12:09 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Cyberman - September 15, 2017 at 9:16 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 26, 2017 at 7:31 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Foxaèr - September 26, 2017 at 7:32 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 26, 2017 at 7:33 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Foxaèr - September 26, 2017 at 7:34 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 26, 2017 at 9:05 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Foxaèr - September 26, 2017 at 9:07 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by brewer - September 26, 2017 at 9:09 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by vorlon13 - September 28, 2017 at 3:51 pm
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Godscreated - September 30, 2017 at 12:42 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Ravenshire - September 30, 2017 at 5:25 am
RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ? - by Atheist73 - September 29, 2017 at 3:33 pm

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