Very short version of the long argument.

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"Very short version of the long argument"

If any Gods were real, their existence wouldn't need to be argued over by anybody.

This is true, God doesn't to be argued for. But if there is a book from him, it would be expected to have decisive proofs that remind of him never the less, and increase certainty upon certainty with those who reminders and sound arguments.

And among those arguments is how can you doubt while it is God that is the witness to all things.

And among those arguments is how can you doubt while God creates everything in truth, and what can be that truth but vision from him, and he being the light of the heavens and the earth himself.

And among those arguments is how can creation exist from other than God as things would be in a state of corruption without a perfect mind defining and creating things in truth.

And among those arguments is that what else upholds every soul by what is has earned.

And among those arguments is who descends blessings and tranquility from the higher realities, down to us, but God.

And among those arguments is the sacredness of compassion and love, to the extent God says "there is not but a thing but with us are it's treasures".

And among those arguments is that God is the value origin and source by which we see value, and he is the value of all value, the light of all light.

And among those arguments is that guidance of God is the guidance and what else can be said to be the guidance and what is a greater evil than following desires over that of guidance from God?

And among those arguments is through his name that we are taught, taught through the pen what we knew not.

And among those arguments is does man really think no one sees him?

Shoot..the walls of text are back.
The universe has a beginning and an end. Either if you believe in religion, or don't.

What we are in now is called "the Vacuum"; that is "space". Well; it's not a perfect vacuum, but the closest to one.
It had a beginning: that's the big bang.
It has an end: that's the day you, me and your posts will be a part of the void. Don't ask me; your grandparents are probably there already.

i.e death.

Unless if you believe in ghosts....

Anyways; before this vacuum comes into existence; i.e before the big bang, nobody -no matter how smart they are; not even Ali- know what was there. Because the word "what was" don't even mean anything before the bang.

"Existence" is an aftermath of this universe; before it we lose all meaning, no matter how smart you were; you will never know.'

So it becomes separate ways: some will believe a God did exist outside space and time, and gave creation to the universe, made the word "exist" have a meaning.
Or, some will believe that no God is there.

So; what does connection really mean before the vacuum comes into place?