RE: Better terminology for "Father and Son" ?
September 13, 2017 at 9:41 pm
(This post was last modified: September 13, 2017 at 10:29 pm by Godscreated.)
(September 7, 2017 at 11:20 pm)Astreja Wrote:(September 7, 2017 at 10:02 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Prove to me that this happened six million years ago.
Prove to me that you have a strong enough understanding of genetics to understand any explanation I may deign to give you.
You can give whatever you want or keep it to yourself, you were not there six million years ago and by that alone can't make any real testament.
GC Wrote:There has never been an observation of one animal, plant or what ever changing into something totally different,
Astreja Wrote:Things don't generally speciate while you're staring at them. You have to look at the big picture, and that requires vastly longer time spans than your mythology permits.
You are right about that, and the big picture of evolution has no picture at all. My God didn't need all that time to create create those animals and He designed into them the ability to adapt, that type of programming needs little time.
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Astreja Wrote:Except for sexual reproduction, stochastic switching due to the chemical composition of the environment, any non-deleterious mutation, chromosome fission and chromosome fusion. Seriously, GC, DNA is just a rather complex molecule. Anything that can alter its chemistry is capable of changing the so-called information, and if the change does not harm the organism it has a chance of being inherited by a descendant.
Changing the information, true, adding new information, no. None of the things you noted above can add new information to DNA. DNA is not just it is essential.
Altered DNA information means a loss of the original not a gain in the new, you know this why are you trying to argue against something you know, a house divided will not stand, that is what evolution is regardless of how widely it might be accepted. Like atheist on this site like to say the majority doesn't matter, the truth does.
Quote:An oyster shell was sent to be carbon dated several years ago, the age came back as 100,000 years old...
Astreja Wrote:I call bullshit. An expert in radiometric dating would not have reported 100,000 years using C14, as the practical limit of that dating method is only about 50,000 years.
There is also a slim chance that a filter-feeding bivalve such as the unfortunate oyster in question might have ingested something that would yield a false positive, such as some dissolved calcium carbonate that had originally been in a fossil in an ancient seabed and leached out into the water, but that is a minor consideration considering that the whole story sounds, um, fishy.
Right you are and glad to see you've given a reasonable limit to that test that was used for many years to date things that were said to be millions of years old and guess what those dates have never been changed from there original test by C-14. C-14 is even less reliable than that because we can not know for sure the c14 that was present at the time and also it doesn't work on fossils since the original tissues are no longer present. Not a fishy story, the test was done before a time limit was recognized for c14 and since evolutionary science doesn't re-date it's old claims I do not need to either, that's fair, right. Since an oyster filters water to clean it the calcium carbonate would have been retained in the living animal, processed and deposited into it's shell as new material, your slim chance just went out the door.
Quote:So tell me when did telling the truth qualify as non-respect, seriously.
Astreja Wrote:GC, I am willing to stake my entire life, and any other lives I may someday possess, on the proposition that you are not telling the truth. I doubt very much that you're lying on purpose, but you seem to have an insurmountable problem with distinguishing between knowledge and belief, and between fact and fiction.
I thank you for believing I wouldn't intentionally lie to you because I wouldn't. I can distinguish just fine between those examples you've given. If you haven't read my posts on the process of a knowledge of God then let me state it here, first come faith and faith leads to belief and belief used properly leads to a knowledge of God, this is taught in the NT and unfortunately few seem to recognize this.
Quote:You seem sensitive to my post to others yet you have no sensitivity when it comes to what others say about me, you seem to have a bias problem.
Astreja Wrote:I'm merely reporting things as I see them -- You were the one who poisoned this well, and now you're upset that we're making you drink from it. Stop calling people fools. Stop calling people blind. Stop pretending that you're the only adult in the fucking room.
I poisoned no well, you seem to believe that telling the truth in my case is some how being disrespectful, not sure how you can come to such a conclusion. You all believe and may I say falsely, that I'm upset at things said to me and I'm not, the attitude used does not make for friendly thoughts from me, but I generally let them go. If I was to responded to all the trash thrown my way I would never be able to have the time to post on subject.
I do not call people fools, I do say they have foolish idea, thoughts and such. There's a big difference.
I call people blind when they reject truth because they want to reject what another knows as the truth. I also call people blind when they us demeaning wording toward me and add nothing responsible to the conversation, that's is childish.
I do not act like the only adult in the room, sometimes I'm the biggest child because I should know better. Most of my unsavory comments go to those who act most like children, mostly because they are and the newbies because they are trying to impress people like you with their insolent behavior, now if I'm guessing right these things will be considered poisoning the well also.
Quote:I'm a grown man who understands that many adults are childish I've seen it over my 63 years of life, experience is a good teacher and I pay attention closely so that I can gain that experience.
Astreja Wrote:I'm 60. To me you present as extremely childish and gullible, hopelessly brainwashed into a particularly silly subset of Christianity, and arrogant enough to think that you possess a truth that all the non-believers here failed to grasp despite most of us living in heavily Christian environments for most or all of our lives.
Because you lived in a Christian environment doesn't mean you know anything about the Christian faith. I do posses a truth that all non-believers have rejected and they accept any reasonable explanation of the scriptures and how they work to warrant another look. believe me I know why atheist do this, I did it for years, I'm no stranger to the excuses that can be made to avoid looking into the scriptures.
You probably see me in the way you do because I'm a rather blunt at times, especially when I've explained the same thing over and over to the same person, sometimes for years. being truthful doesn't make me childish and believing in the God of creation and salvation doesn't make me gullible, that would be only your opinion. You are able to have that opinion of me if you so desire and believe me it doesn't bother me nor am I complaining about it. I have far greater things to worry about in this world than what people think about me when I know they are not right. This my mother and father taught me long ago.
GC
(September 13, 2017 at 3:46 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(September 13, 2017 at 3:01 am)Godscreated Wrote: Scientist playing at being a god
How are scientist "playing god" when you claim no evolution took place but rather God created everything in six days? Unless you are saying that evolution took place and somehow God was involved. You see how you contradict yourself.
I haven't contradicted myself it's your confused brain that's the problem. Scientist go into the lab and try a controlled experiment and then claim it's evolution. Evolution, as I stated earlier has to be without exception a natural uncontrolled action outside any lab, other wise it's a scientist trying to play a god. Evolution has never been observed in nature, period , and a statement that it has would be a lie.
GC
(September 13, 2017 at 5:35 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote:(September 13, 2017 at 3:01 am)Godscreated Wrote: Yes I do, the fact I can't bring you testable, verifiable proof is because it takes a belief in our savior to see it. An open heart to Christ will open the eyes of the hardest person.
GC
Sorry, but your delusions are non-transferable.
Been there, done that, got crickets in response. Quit trying to sell me. It's not gonna work.
The problem you have begins by believing I'm delusional and the next part of the problem you have is believing I'm trying to sale you something. I was given the gift of salvation through grace and it's not for sale, gifts are not bought they are given through love and all i'm trying to do is show people that God loves them despite what they want to believe.
I gave you a long response in another thread and you chose not to respond and that's fine, but there was one question I asked you that I was hoping to get an answer to and I believe that question is why you did not respond.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.