Well then you should clarify that on your OP. Because what youre describing above is quite a bit more than simply indoctrinating. As much as you hate GC and Neo I highly doubt either of them would put any hypothetical child of theirs through cult like shaming, fear, etc.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh