This Has to Stop

[Joods]

Your continued false equivocation and ignoring my explanations does not make you look like you have the high ground, snookums. I didn't say I wished death upon the ones who force children who HATE sitting through religious services to do, I said those parents were ASSHOLES if they mistreated their kids like that and completely disregarded their feelings in that way. The ones who put them through cult-like shaming, fear and science-denying propaganda so that their minds are warped into the equivalent of thinking that 2 and 2 make 5, the gene pool would be better off without. Or are you saying the flock of Fred Phelps are upstanding human beings who are far better off because of what happened during their upbringing? You don't get to have it both ways.

Or what about the Amish? Beliefs they teach aside, they intentionally strip away access to modernism in virtually every way. Technology, education, everything that makes life worth living nowadays, completely cut off and isolated. In what way is that giving a child freedom of choice in any true sense? You either care about their rights or you don't. If merely institutionalizing people who force that upon them is a viable solution, I'm all for it if nature won't take care of it. The point is, like the title of the thread says, THIS HAS TO STOP. Whatever mechanism stops it will generally be preferable to the alternative. Too bad there's no karma or a just, loving god who would put things right. Kind of amazing anyone believes in something so impotent.

Honestly, when you write that you'd rather see someone run over by a bus rather than convey their religion to their kids, it's you who come across as the fundamentalist evangelist -- and more to the point, you're going to get pushback.

This. And isn't there something in the rules on this forum about threats on one's life? Honestly, that first OP was oozing with hate and if a person couldn't feel  that by reading it, then they have no empathy. To wish death on a theist (or anyone, really), makes the atheist in question no better than the Abrahamic god for committing the first Genocide ever. Stooping to that level of low doesn't make a person better than an imaginary god, in my view.

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It really depends on the people. Some Amish people are strictly no technology. Some people up the road from me as a child let their barn burn down because they wouldn't call a fire truck. Then you have Mennonites who are like Amish lite. When I was a kid almost all of the people where I lived were Amish. We bought most of our food from them.

Agreed, but that's not what Astonished was saying. He was making the outright claim, by once again, lumping an entire group of people, by saying they are all cut off from the rest of society and that just isn't true.