(September 15, 2017 at 11:16 am)Little Rik Wrote:(September 15, 2017 at 5:02 am)Mathilda Wrote: This is obviously said by someone who has never been under general anesthetic. If you were still conscious under anesthetic you would certainly know about it while being cut up on the operating table. If consciousness is not a product of the brain then it should not matter what happens to the brain. But it does. The food you eat, or don't eat will affect your mental disposition. So will drugs. There are many documented cases in the scientific literature of people undergoing massive personality changes because of the brain damage that they have suffered. The most famous example being that of Phineas Gage.
Many people suffer fro neurodegenerative diseases. I myself suffer from Multiple Sclerosis and one of the most typical symptoms is optic neuritis. If you could see without the use of eyes, as people who believe in NDEs claim as they imagine floating off to place where their eyes are not present, then people suffering from MS would not suffer double vision when lesions occur in their optic nerves.
If the brain was not solely responsible for who and what we are, how we think and act and process sensory stimuli, then people with Alzheimers would not suffer from memory loss.
Scientists discover the on-off switch for human consciousness deep within the brain
It is quite obvious that when the body or the brain or both are in trouble also the consciousness get affected.
As the driver suffer when the vehicle get into an accident also the consciousness get affected when the body-brain get sick.
WHAT THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT THE CONSCIOUSNESS IS A PRODUCT OF THE BRAIN OR THAT THE CONSCIOUSNESS DIE AS YOU SAY?
Wow, did I just witness Rik adjust his 'thinking'? Is this well supported in the intuitional science literature?
