RE: This Has to Stop
September 24, 2017 at 4:27 pm
(This post was last modified: September 24, 2017 at 4:39 pm by emjay.)
(September 24, 2017 at 3:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(September 24, 2017 at 1:23 pm)emjay Wrote: I wasn't supporting his specific argument against you... just the general argument of this thread. I did not call you an abuser, potential or otherwise, neither did I say the same of my parents. I said that I knew they meant no harm in teaching me about Jesus as I grew up, and the same would be true of you. But regardless of the intentions behind it, the effect on the resulting adult is the same; bias that results from upbringing... bias that acts as a default position moving forward... a default position of emotional bias that has to be constantly fought, that does not stand and cannot be fought on it's own rational merits because it was never acquired rationally in the first place.
As for you making up your own religion, that was just a turn of phrase really... and whether it's you or the whole Catholic church doing it doesn't really matter. What I mean is as soon as any religion starts introducing the notion of 'allegory' it's a slippery slope... where does it end? If the Bible is just true or false, that's at least something consistent to argue against, but if it's just a bit true, then there's nothing consistent to argue with and the goalposts can constantly be shifted.
Fair enough, I suppose I misunderstood.
As for Catholicism, the authority of the Church is above the bible. Our teachings and beliefs are expressed in the Catechism.
I stay out of fights on AF as a general rule... seeing that they're pretty much the bread and butter of this forum. You're a big girl... you can handle yourself and it didn't seem that much different from how it was when you first came here; anti-theists were on you until they came to respect you. Similar to how it was with me. But staying out of fights doesn't mean that I can't agree with an issue, and put forward my perspective on it. Which is what I did. I guess I should've said something to make it clear that I wasn't agreeing with a specific attack on you, but what's done is done.
(September 24, 2017 at 3:07 pm)Astonished Wrote: emjay, your replies are so perfect I feel like I don't even need to respond to CL's last quote. She seems to actually care to understand what you're saying whereas she's developed some kind of mental block towards me just because of the animosity between her and I, so that you've basically put far more eloquently than I what would have attempted, I'll let your words stand as a great response.
Well, I don't know what to say really; that's what happens when people fight... but I don't think my perspective is any more welcome than yours, however 'eloquently' I put it. But it shouldn't be such a big deal, cos I already said it can apply equally across the board; to theists and atheists... to any worldview really... that any worldview will create that bias going forward, and therefore the best thing to do, though perhaps it would be a parenting minefield to achieve, might be to leave any activism/strong opinions out of the equation, to give the child the best chance of reaching adulthood without an inherent bias one way or another. My frustration with theists is the inability, wilful or not, to understand this, especially in light of the fact that their religion contains provisions for it that render the need for it moot in the first place.
