RE: "Militia", what that meant then.
October 4, 2017 at 3:42 pm
(This post was last modified: October 4, 2017 at 3:43 pm by Gawdzilla Sama.)
(October 4, 2017 at 2:59 pm)Tiberius Wrote:(October 4, 2017 at 2:52 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: We're talking two different conversations here.
Yes, and my question was in regards to you claiming that "well regulated" meant "trained". I'm not saying you're wrong, I just haven't seen it used in that context historically. For example, my sources all seem to use it in the sense that I described, as something that "works" or is "in working order".
(October 4, 2017 at 2:54 pm)Tazzycorn Wrote: And this reasoning, like that of the "originalists" ignores how language was used back then. The phrase "well regulated militia" had a very specific meaning in the 1770's, viz a part time, volunteer, defence force solely under the control of the government of the land or the officers thereof.
The fact that right wing judges and legislators have decided to interpret that phrase as to mean everybody is a travesty of the law and of the constitution. But then again, right wingers don't give two shits about the law or the public good.
Have you got any historical sources that back up the specific meaning, because I posted mine already. The phrase "well regulated" certainly appears in literature from the time in the context of "working" rather than meaning anything to do with legislation.
You'll have to give me a few days for links., I'm operating with one eye and a happily large amount of oxycontin. Surgery (5th on this eye) Friday.
However, if you look at the Royal Navy Regulations you'll see where the military phrasing comes from. It is a special case, but wholly applicable to the subject matter at hand.
I hope that made sense, the letters are doing a chorus line right now. Follies Berger I think.
(October 4, 2017 at 3:16 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The notion being that hoplites were better than helots on the battlefield.And definitely better than helots who think they're hoplites but don't have the helmet, shield, greaves, etc.