(October 6, 2017 at 9:13 am)Little Rik Wrote:(October 5, 2017 at 11:34 am)Crossless2.0 Wrote: So you're yet another theist who doesn't understand the difference between metaphysical naturalism and methodological naturalism. No surprise there.
And you're beyond imbecilic if your takeaway from the tentative nature of science is that it is therefore 'pure fantasy'.
But we already knew that about you.
Wrong again Cross.
There is no need for getting all these intellectual jargon of .......... metaphysical naturalism and methodological naturalism in the way.
My understanding of what exist is so so much more simple.
Jargon . . . Lol. It's called a distinction. Apologies for the syllables. I forgot who I was writing to.
Quote:First there is the physical reality and physical science job is to study and find out this particular reality.
You don't say!
Quote:Second there is the non-physical reality which physical science can not study.
Not in terms of consciousness as a collection of experienced qualia, but it can certainly study it indirectly as conscious states are represented directly in MRIs. It's only your dogmatic insistence that consciousness does not arise from brain activity that blinds you to this.
Quote:For this second reality we need a different type of science better known as intuitional science.
You'd do well to just call it what it is: intuition. There's no need to dress up your yogic experiences as a different type of science. They are what they are. Others who meditate and experience (for them) significant, even profound, states of consciousness don't necessarily ascribe it to anything more than deliberately induced changes in their brain activity. If we were to perform an MRI scan on you during meditation and/or pranayama, what do you suppose we'd see?
Quote:As the consciousness is NOT of physical nature come natural that physical science can not possibly study it.
See above.
Quote:Atheists unfortunately got the demented idea that consciousness is a product of the brain so physical science suppose to be able to study it.
You've never convinced anyone that consciousness isn't a product of the brain, notwithstanding your incessant yammering about NDEs. Let's perform radically invasive surgery on your brain and find out what becomes of your consciousness. You game?
Quote:Never mind Cross.
Unfortunately in this life you sunk in a sea of dogmas and fantasies but if you are smart maybe in the next life time you may be able to wake up and grow up and start the way up to human emancipation by developing your consciousness awareness.
Good luck.
Fuck off with your condescension, you dogmatic mental midget.