Reasoning showing homosexuality is evil.

[emjay]

Emjay:

Yeah, hammy pointed that out to me... I may have overreacted in thinking you'd gone over to the dark(er) side... yet at least.

But as I said before, I don't understand the logic behind your religion doing all god's judgment for it; if god is the supreme judge, why not let him actually do it? If you're wrong about his existence, even just hypothetically, then you've (as in your religion) killed and tortured a lot of people that god... if he existed... would be perfectly capable of torturing for himself when they reached the end of their life (without your helping hand in that process), so in a kind of strange messed up version of Pascal's wager, how can you justify that on the offchance that you're wrong from your perspective? And similarly, does not hastening the process, deprive god of potential penitents, who might have, over the course of their life, come to god, but had lost that opportunity by god's followers taking it upon themselves to kill them for their transgressions at the earliest possible opportunity?

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The Quran is clean on killing homosexuals; there is not even a single verse. As for God torturing and punishing, gives no right for people to play God and kill and torture, that's a divine right. And God is killing us all the time if you think about it; all of us die.

Makes our life; takes our life.

My bolds

I'm glad there's at least one Muslim out there that seems to agree with me on that point... that one's more than I expected to be perfectly honest, as sad as that is.

As to your views on the cause of homosexuality, I'm of roughly the same opinion (and I'm also bisexual btw); I'm firmly on the nuture... well environment... side of the nature vs nurture debate. In my own case at least, I see it as a developmental disorder, caused by the combination of the inherent plasticity of the brain in all things (including sexuality) and environmental learning during critical times of development. When I was growing up I went down two paths of environmental learning simultaneously, one was the socially validated 'straight' path (finding straight porn mags etc that had been hidden around school by older boys, or ringing the sex chat lines on the back of those mags on the school's payphone as a dare ...and getting caught for it ), and the other was the more private... and not socially validated in any way until I came out, if then... gay path. But the point from my perspective is that they're two distinct developmental paths that I followed at the same time, and came out of it bisexual, so it's very clear to me what the cause is from my perspective.

But this is a very sensitive issue with a lot of baggage in all directions, due to how much judgment there is in society around homosexuality, so I've learnt (from discussions on here in fact) that it's not good to generalise. Instead, let everyone speak for themselves, from their own experience, and hold their own views on its cause. All I can do is state what my view is, why it is, and say that IMO it applies to me, but make no assertion that it necessarily applies to others the same way.

That is fucked up man. A mental disorder?

You are no better than MK.

I think you might be getting too caught up in terminology there. I can see how it might be classified as a disorder from a clinical standpoint - just as other reproductive disorders are so-classified. It's obviously counter to evolutionary advantage. The key is not attaching moral or any other kind of judgement to it. It is not something to fear, to revile someone for or disrespect someone for.

^^^ That's how I see it, and it's only society's judgment, as per the italics (my added), that gives it any stigma. So from my perspective, the blame for how homosexuals are treated is not in the definition... as development disorder (if it is) or whatever... but in society's judgment of that definition.

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I have the feeling what I've said might get misconstrued; not disorder per se... because the word disorder has negative connotations... but developmental difference. There's no judgment about it; it's not something I see as being in need of treatment or to be changed, in my own or anyone else's case... it's just one of those things that is what it is.