(October 22, 2017 at 12:14 am)emjay Wrote:(October 21, 2017 at 11:51 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Yeah, I probably have a mental disorder myself: Asperger's Syndrome. It has something in common with homosexuality in that it hampers reproduction. I cannot stand the sound of a baby's cry - even on television. I'll plug my ears or leave the room to avoid it. A lot of other sounds have a similar effect on me but a baby's cry is the worse. On top of this, I just couldn't be bound by having to take care of a baby's every need. The total lack of parental instinct is definitely an abnormality and I would not take offense at it being called a "mental disorder" because it is IMO. It pretty much slides under the radar though because there is considerably less stigma on heterosexual men who have zero interest in being a father than there is on a homosexual man.
I think it depends a lot on what we mean by the word 'disorder'; I just basically mean a statistical deviation from the 'norm'... as it in something that is relatively rare among a population. But ultimately, in the case of homosexuality, IMO it makes very little difference to evolutionary fitness for purpose as it were; as a bisexual I'm perfectly capable of procreating if I so chose, but even if I was 100% gay, how many children does the average family have... one... two? And how many times does the average person have sex in their life? Considerably more than one or two, so the rest is just extra-curricular whatever your sexuality, in those terms. If I was 100% gay I'd still know exactly what what was required to have children, and by one means or another, I'm pretty sure I'd be able to get it up twice in my whole life for a woman, in order to have children. So this argument by some that it is unnatural falls flat on its face in light of the amount of time people actually do spend having reproductive sex as opposed to sex for love or pleasure.
The unnatural thing is not an argument at all - it's a symptom of (mostly cultural-driven) revulsion. It's a gut reaction. Of course homosexual sex isn't natural for a heterosexual person but it's perfectly natural for a homosexual one.
My point about the disorder thing is I don't think it's something one should get their feathers ruffled up about too much because it's a clinical term and it really doesn't denigrate a person. Admittedly, we still tend to stigmatize mental disorders more than physical ones. My own hypersensitivity to certain sounds is definitely a mental disorder of the type common to Asperger sufferers. But so what?
I think a person arguing from a clinical standpoint can definitely make a case for homosexuality being a disorder but it just doesn't matter. It's not worth arguing about because there are a great many people who have conditions for which a good argument can be made are clinical disorders. Obesity is a disorder. Becoming depressed during winter at higher latitudes is a disorder. Even being a neat freak can be a disorder. Disorders are no justification for reviling somebody to the point where you want to deny them their rights or even do violence to them.
Is homosexuality a disorder? I believe it is but so what? I have my own disorders and most homophobes probably have theirs as well.
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