(October 21, 2017 at 10:08 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: So what your saying is you enjoy gay porn but you cum buckets to tranny porn.

I myself like to dabble in a bit of everything.

No. I'm saying that your brain contains a chemical produced when you orgasm.
If you orgasm on men a lot, the chemical fires in your head once you see a man you like; and fires less when you see a woman.

While if mating between men and women was more easy, problems like these won't happen.
Nerves would make networks that get the dopamine fired with the ladies. And the ladies would have networks firing with men.

When you fuck with that system; you get me.

Or..she?

(October 21, 2017 at 10:34 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(October 21, 2017 at 10:08 pm)Nay_Sayer Wrote: So what your saying is you enjoy gay porn but you cum buckets to tranny porn.

I myself like to dabble in a bit of everything.

No. I'm saying that I like bondage gay porn and that I just don't understand tranny, it confuses my penis.

Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing it up.

Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is far more than the actual act of ejaculating.

(October 21, 2017 at 10:38 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is far more than the actual act of ejaculating.

Sexuality has a very strong effect on how the brain works, especially for a kid just hitting puberty. The hormones start to work; and almost all of us remember our first days when we had our first wet dreams. I think a certain type of interaction is the key to grow somebody to favor homosexuality or heterosexuality. Hard-Wired brains just seem to fail as an explanation.

It's still far more than simply ejaculating. Otherwise how would a 'straight' person get the inclination to "indulge" in sex with someone owning similar genitalia in order to "become gay"?

(October 21, 2017 at 10:49 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:

(October 21, 2017 at 10:38 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is far more than the actual act of ejaculating.

Sexuality has a very strong effect on how the brain works, especially for a kid just hitting puberty. The hormones start to work; and almost all of us remember our first days when we had our first wet dreams. I think a certain type of interaction is the key to grow somebody to favor homosexuality or heterosexuality. Hard-Wired brains just seem to fail as an explanation.

Not buying it. My gaydar is strong and I knew my son was gay long before he ever came out and told us. He has mannerisms indicative of being gay and he doesn't like girls, despite being around them all his life. Just because you were kept from females for the vast majority of your childhood doesn't mean you get to use that as an excuse for being gay or how ever you choose to identify yourself as. 

I think what it is, you are out of excuses and simply cannot or will not admit that being gay isn't what you think it is and most certainly isn't a choice. No matter how much you want to think you can fool your brain into no longer being gay - it doesn't work that way. 

This argument is getting tiresome. I think I'll just agree to disagree with you on the actual facts and move on because this thread has become redundant and pitiful.

(October 21, 2017 at 4:16 am)emjay Wrote:

(October 21, 2017 at 3:58 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Emjay:

Yeah, hammy pointed that out to me... I may have overreacted in thinking you'd gone over to the dark(er) side... yet at least.

But as I said before, I don't understand the logic behind your religion doing all god's judgment for it; if god is the supreme judge, why not let him actually do it? If you're wrong about his existence, even just hypothetically, then you've (as in your religion) killed and tortured a lot of people that god... if he existed... would be perfectly capable of torturing for himself when they reached the end of their life (without your helping hand in that process), so in a kind of strange messed up version of Pascal's wager, how can you justify that on the offchance that you're wrong from your perspective? And similarly, does not hastening the process, deprive god of potential penitents, who might have, over the course of their life, come to god, but had lost that opportunity by god's followers taking it upon themselves to kill them for their transgressions at the earliest possible opportunity?

(October 21, 2017 at 5:25 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: ...
The Quran is clean on killing homosexuals; there is not even a single verse. As for God torturing and punishing, gives no right for people to play God and kill and torture, that's a divine right. And God is killing us all the time if you think about it; all of us die.

Makes our life; takes our life.

My bolds

I'm glad there's at least one Muslim out there that seems to agree with me on that point... that one's more than I expected to be perfectly honest, as sad as that is.

As to your views on the cause of homosexuality, I'm of roughly the same opinion (and I'm also bisexual btw); I'm firmly on the nuture... well environment... side of the nature vs nurture debate. In my own case at least, I see it as a developmental disorder, caused by the combination of the inherent plasticity of the brain in all things (including sexuality) and environmental learning during critical times of development. When I was growing up I went down two paths of environmental learning simultaneously, one was the socially validated 'straight' path (finding straight porn mags etc that had been hidden around school by older boys, or ringing the sex chat lines on the back of those mags on the school's payphone as a dare ...and getting caught for it ), and the other was the more private... and not socially validated in any way until I came out, if then... gay path. But the point from my perspective is that they're two distinct developmental paths that I followed at the same time, and came out of it bisexual, so it's very clear to me what the cause is from my perspective.

But this is a very sensitive issue with a lot of baggage in all directions, due to how much judgment there is in society around homosexuality, so I've learnt (from discussions on here in fact) that it's not good to generalise. Instead, let everyone speak for themselves, from their own experience, and hold their own views on its cause. All I can do is state what my view is, why it is, and say that IMO it applies to me, but make no assertion that it necessarily applies to others the same way.

(October 21, 2017 at 7:52 pm)AFTT47 Wrote:

(October 21, 2017 at 7:25 pm)LastPoet Wrote: That is fucked up man. A mental disorder?

You are no better than MK.

I think you might be getting too caught up in terminology there. I can see how it might be classified as a disorder from a clinical standpoint - just as other reproductive disorders are so-classified. It's obviously counter to evolutionary advantage. The key is not attaching moral or any other kind of judgement to it. It is not something to fear, to revile someone for or disrespect someone for.

^^^ That's how I see it, and it's only society's judgment, as per the italics (my added), that gives it any stigma. So from my perspective, the blame for how homosexuals are treated is not in the definition... as development disorder (if it is) or whatever... but in society's judgment of that definition.

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I have the feeling what I've said might get misconstrued; not disorder per se... because the word disorder has negative connotations... but developmental difference. There's no judgment about it; it's not something I see as being in need of treatment or to be changed, in my own or anyone else's case... it's just one of those things that is what it is.

(October 21, 2017 at 11:14 pm)emjay Wrote:

(October 21, 2017 at 7:52 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: I think you might be getting too caught up in terminology there. I can see how it might be classified as a disorder from a clinical standpoint - just as other reproductive disorders are so-classified. It's obviously counter to evolutionary advantage. The key is not attaching moral or any other kind of judgement to it. It is not something to fear, to revile someone for or disrespect someone for.

^^^ That's how I see it, and it's only society's judgment, as per the italics (my added), that gives it any stigma. So from my perspective, the blame for how homosexuals are treated is not in the definition... as development disorder (if it is) or whatever... but in society's judgment of that definition.

Yeah, I probably have a mental disorder myself: Asperger's Syndrome. It has something in common with homosexuality in that it hampers reproduction. I cannot stand the sound of a baby's cry - even on television. I'll plug my ears or leave the room to avoid it. A lot of other sounds have a similar effect on me but a baby's cry is the worse. On top of this, I just couldn't be bound by having to take care of a baby's every need. The total lack of parental instinct is definitely an abnormality and I would not take offense at it being called a "mental disorder" because it is IMO. It pretty much slides under the radar though because there is considerably less stigma on heterosexual men who have zero interest in being a father than there is on a homosexual man.