(October 22, 2017 at 8:41 am)emjay Wrote:(October 22, 2017 at 7:46 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: Lots of Muslims, and by lots I mean lots; follow bigoted opinions represented in the two main sects composing the majority: Shiite Islam and Sunni Islam.
Despite the severe disasters these terminologies brought upon Muslims; Muslims followed them still.
The problem is with the religion itself... it is pure hate and judgment, so it producing/encouraging bigotry on a large scale comes as no surprise.
Quote:There are lots and lots of hypocrite bigots who practice sodomy, then go criticize gays. The Muslim society is crawling with people like this: it's a no no in public; but from below and in secret, it's totally fine.
That doesn't surprise me in the slightest; wherever there is oppression there will always be resistance and/or people partaking in that which is prohibited; the forbidden fruit syndrome as it were. And the first word that comes to mind for me when I think of Islam is 'oppression'; a religion whose singular aim seems to be to prohibit pretty much everything, require total and absolute conformity from its members, and create a mass of people who are all exactly the same, with any non-conformists severely, and often brutally dealt with. What possible good you see in such a religion is beyond me.
Quote:For me, it wasn't sexuality to be honest that made me part ways with the Islamic sects. Sexuality was just a part of the dilemma which included politics, history, women rights, and so many other things.
The "word of God" shouldn't break in front of reason. And I must be 100% fair to compare my own view and understanding, to the actual meaning the author of the book I'm using was meaning; and to compare other views against all of that.
The problem is, as fair as you want to be to it, IMO you can never really succeed; because whatever you do, you'll always give more weight to some parts than others... and this goes for any religious book.
For instance, say the Bible was reduced to a single word: GOD... you'd still end up with a million different sects/schisms fighting over its true meaning; you'll have G-ians who think the G is all important but the O and D are less so... "God", O-ians who think the O is all important... "gOd", and D-ians who think the D is all important... "goD". Then on top of that you'll have people like Neo who thinks it makes more sense if you read it backwards... DOG-ians. That may seem a silly example, but as far as I'm concerned, it sums up the problem perfectly. The possibities are endless, and that's just for three letters, so imagine how exponentially worse it can be, and is with the religious books that exist... the Bible and the Quran for instance. You may try to be fair to it, but with something so vague and with so many different things you could focus on IMO you can't fail to introduce your own bias into its interpretation, no matter what you do.
Quote:I don't think the majority of Muslims are doing so; so yep; nothing is changing soon if they kept on practicing the same belief.
The Bible is very different in structure from the Quran; that's all I can say about the book.
But the difference between Christianity and Islam, is that with Islam, these beliefs actually result in murder, torture, and terrorism on a massive scale. Christianity produces it's fair share of suffering in the world, but nowhere near on the scale of Islam. As I said, I have no idea what possible good you can see in it.
(October 22, 2017 at 8:28 am)Joods Wrote: It's bad enough that society likes placing labels on as many people as possible. The last thing the gay community needs is a label announcing to the world that gay people have a mental disorder simply because of who they are. So no - I do not buy the argument that calling it a mental disorder isn't a bad as saying it's evil. Both are unnecessary in my opinion.
I hope I haven't offended you with my views here Joods? I don't run around saying I have a mental disorder when I talk about my homosexuality, but I do see it as having it's roots in psychology rather than - or more than - genetics.
No, squishy, you haven't offended me. I guess this topic is really sensitive for me, given that not only is my son gay, but he's been diagnosed with at least four mental health issues. He's been labeled enough and we, as a society, really need to stop using such labels if we are ever to move forward in our acceptance of everyone - gay or straight. I always come back to saying that what two people do behind closed doors is none of anyone else's business and those two people don't deserve to have a mental health label placed on them simply because certain members of society can't handle what they do in private.
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