Liberals versus Leftists

[Brian37]

There is no polite way to put it when it comes to today's GOP. They are not the party of Lincoln nor Teddy. They have been hijacked by the far right religious, and we have had 36 years of GOP controlling our economic narrative with Reagan's FAILED trickle down economics, which 45 and the GOP are STILL selling.

"Conserving" isn't about greed, or hording wealth. Conservation isn't about exploitation to simply make the top richer while the pay gap keeps exploding for everyone else. Conservation is about, or should I say, SHOULD BE about conserving social stability and natural resources. 

There is absolutely nothing conservative about today's GOP. I warn you that all they are going to do is lead us into another economic bubble that will burst just like the one Bush Jr had. 

None of what I said in this post is anti private sector. I don't want us to become Cuba nor do I want a nanny state for saying we cant keep doing what we are doing. 

But you and I are both atheists. This is a good posts for theists to read when they claim we all agree all the time, this is an example to show them we dont  always agree.

I do not agree with GOP economics, and I do not agree with our religious right or the bully they got elected.

Maybe some people need to take more consideration before applying labels.

You called yourself a "conservative". Well? How do you want me to respond to that? Because if you support the GOP or even Libertarians, my response will not be, "OK" because it is NOT working. 

If you support LGBT but say, "less taxes, less government" again, all that would mean is that you are good on social issues, but that would not mean the other stuff is working on economics because it is not working.

The fact remains the GOP is horrible on economics and social issues. The fact remains the more we allow the top to do whatever it wants the bigger the pay gap will become. The more we let global corporations pollute the planet for mere profit the less stable the world will be.

Regulations are what made cars safer with things like seat belts and air bags, and those regulations created factories that created jobs. Big oil is an addiction, a dangerous addiction, and it is killing our planet. And we don't need to be on it forever, when we could be moving to clean energy. Staying on fossil fuels today is like still insisting on rotary phones in an age of cell phones.

I'm sorry, but the 1% at the top are not going to end up eating cat food if they pay more in taxes. And the top and the right do not own a monopoly on our society. 

Does it ever occur to you, that you CAN keep the private sector, and create jobs by doing the right thing, by investing in livable wages, investing in health care and education, by paying more in taxes the richer you are? 

I am not buying the economic right's claim that we cant compete globally unless our workers take less and work for the same slave wages that China's labor is clobbering us with. I think we can. But, there is a huge difference between cant, and dont want to. The rich can STILL make money, they can compete globally by doing the right thing. Just like we moved from lead in gas, just like we put seat belts and airbags in cars. 

Our global economy isn't there for the top to say, "let us do whatever we want". 

All I am seeing from economic conservatives right now is a race to become like China, a sweat shop authoritarian society. I don't think we have to become China to compete lowering our standards to theirs.

I think we need to get back to the post WW2 economy were labor mattered, where taxes where higher and investment in labor created our middle class, where education was cheaper and the pay gap was not as big. We cant keep gutting our social safety nets, like social security and medicare and keep expecting workers to foot the bill when Wall Street keeps making bad bets.

We were not a nanny state after WW2 were we? No, so there is no good reason to think we will become one because some say we should not be eroding worker stability.