For Christians (or anyone else) who deny Darwinian evolution.

[RoadRunner79]

Well, I don't have too much issue with the topic of natural selection.  Other than I think that some have a somewhat idealized vision of it, where every slight advantage is selected and magnified. The reality of it is more complicated; but that is a discussion concerning population genetics and a little off topic.  It would seem that your use of the phrase artificial selection would be more in relation to means by which novel functions or systems come about and whatever is being proposed under an evolutionary standpoint.

Sure.  So, how about it?  Do you think those novel functions or systems arose through a process of artificial selection?  If so, why do you think that...if not, how do you think they arose?  

If someone is asking me, if I believe in evolution; I'm going to ask two questions in return.   What specifically, are you asking me to agree to;  and, why do you think I should believe that?

No, I'm just asking you the questions up above, there's no need to qualify questions with questions until the end of days...lol.

As to your question, I do believe in many of the tenets of intelligent design,   and I also believe that there are natural processes at work.

Artificial selection, a more accurate and specific term for "intelligent design" -is- a natural process.  There's no reason to make a distinction.  I get that you believe a supernatural agent performed said selection, but that doesn't change the selection itself.  If a god existed, and if a god selected for specific structures or even forms..then evolutionary biology explains the mechanics by which it was done.   That part we can see in the fossil record, in living representatives, and in the genetics that link it all together.  That part doesn't change regardless of who or what dunnit.  

Artificial as in artifice.  As in artifact.  Not as in "non natural" or "fake".  Sometimes I wonder if that's a stumbling block.  Thoughts?

Is one of those tenets of ID that you believe in "kinds", can I get a kind classification?  I've always wondered exactly what IDers and creationists mean by kinds.  Bonus if, in that classification, you indicate which organisms you think arose through artificial selection and which arose through natural selection.

Sorry, I do not have a lot of time to get into your other questions and a long side trail right now.  At the moment I was just posting some quick questions about what was being discussed, if you would like to stick to them.

To clarify though,  what I meant by natural processes was more akin to referring to natural causes as a reason for a death; as opposed to murder or an intentional death.  Not really referring to a supernatural necessity. 

As to "kinds" I don't really hear that too much from an I.D. perspective.  Maybe in some reference to genus and adding new information vs modification of existing.