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Can someone debunk this
RE: Can someone debunk this
When we grow from an egg to a human, there are many changes at many levels in time, and none of it is random at that point or chaotic.  I am saying a few mutations cannot lead from one state to another. The paradigm is the evolution paradigm of small changes over time with random mutations and natural selection.

When we grow from an egg, there is direction at each stage according to instructions that recorded biologically. There is many layers of change happening at the same time simultaneously.

At one point consciousness will click due to those changes that are multilayer and numerous and not random and chaotic.

I am saying with the evolution paradigm from naturalistic perspective this is not possible. This is again, due to the fact it has to be a few mutations that turns on the ghost in the machine. You provided an example of numerous changes happening through time at multilayer to turn on the on switch.

Yes if evolution was able to do changes that quickly, and we can have millions of good mutations at the same time that lead to awesome design, then it work. It doesn't work like that, and ironically,  Darwin thought it was somewhat like this due to people assuming life was really simple back then and biology wasn't that complex and didn't understand changes don't just happen so quickly.
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