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Can someone debunk this
RE: Can someone debunk this
(November 5, 2017 at 3:41 pm)KevinM1 Wrote:
(November 5, 2017 at 3:39 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: When we grow from an egg to a human, there are many changes at many levels in time, and none of it is random at that point or chaotic.  I am saying a few mutations cannot lead from one state to another. The paradigm is the evolution paradigm of small changes over time with random mutations and natural selection.

When we grow from an egg, there is direction at each stage according to instructions that recorded biologically. There is many layers of change happening at the same time simultaneously.

At one point consciousness will click due to those changes that are multilayer and numerous and not random and chaotic.

I am saying with the evolution paradigm from naturalistic perspective this is not possible.

Got any proof to back that up, or just Islamic word salad?

Ok,  concsiousness and non-concsiouness are binary. On and off.  Either a ghost or not.

When an egg is growing to a baby, there is many steps, true.

Yet it is happenning with multilayer of many changes at the same time that are acting according to gene intructions.

Now evolution, do things change like pokemon? No. Gradual small mutations over time right? 

Yet think about it. The has to be so many of these small mutations, and yet at one point it has to click, no-ghost to ghost.

This is vastly so different that like we grow from egg to baby it would require numerous mutations at the same time, all by design....both which evolution doesn't offer in naturalistic paradigm.

Thus design is proven.

(November 5, 2017 at 3:46 pm)Mathilda Wrote: You do realise don't you MysticKnight that the mutations happen to the DNA which are a recipe developing for a complex system such as a brain. The brain itself does not mutate throughout the course of a lifetime.

I'd ask for justification of your beliefs but it doesn't sound like you really know what is supposed to happen inside your head and when you are conceived.

I hope you re-read what I wrote and my last post.

(November 5, 2017 at 3:47 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(November 5, 2017 at 3:39 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: When we grow from an egg to a human, there are many changes at many levels in time, and none of it is random at that point or chaotic.  I am saying a few mutations cannot lead from one state to another. The paradigm is the evolution paradigm of small changes over time with random mutations and natural selection.

When we grow from an egg, there is direction at each stage according to instructions that recorded biologically. There is many layers of change happening at the same time simultaneously.

At one point consciousness will click due to those changes that are multilayer and numerous and not random and chaotic.

I am saying with the evolution paradigm from naturalistic perspective this is not possible. This is again, due to the fact it has to be a few mutations that turns on the ghost in the machine. You provided an example of numerous changes happening through time at multilayer to turn on the on switch.

Yes if evolution was able to do changes that quickly, and we can have millions of good mutations at the same time that lead to awesome design, then it work. It doesn't work like that, and ironically,  Darwin thought it was somewhat like this due to people assuming life was really simple back then and biology wasn't that complex and didn't understand changes don't just happen so quickly.
A single mutation can cause cancer and death. A transition from consciousness to unconsciousness.

A fertilised zygote is effectively a dedicated mutation machine. From a single cell it must create every other type of cell in the human body ex nihilo, including the brain.

I am trying to understand the relevance?
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