RE: Let us go back to "cold" hard logic."Time"
November 6, 2017 at 10:34 am
(This post was last modified: November 6, 2017 at 10:42 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 5, 2017 at 3:03 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: So let us empahsize all the premises together:
1. If some element of freedom of will exists, then the future doesn't already exist.
2. We know we have some freedom of will with respect to choices we make.
3. Therefore the future doesn't already exist.
4. Time passed away is growing.
5. If time is infinite, it would span endlessly in the future as it does in the past.
6. Therefore time is not infinite.
7. Therefore time is finite.
8. If time is finite, there is a start.
9. Now if start always existed it would be eternal.
10. Eternal implies it spans endlessly, yet it is just a "point" in time and time is finite both which contradicts this notion.
11. The first moment in time didn't always exist.
12. Something caused the first moment in time to exist.
13. A lawless state beyond time cannot all of a sudden implement rules to itself with no time to make the change available nor anything in motion.
14. It is irrational to believe a stateless universe before time started time and all the rules that come with the universe.
15. The starter of time and space requires will and power.
Tell me disputed premise(s). Please do not attack conclusion with the argument. All the premises are explained, so don't just quote the premise and not address the reasoning showed for it.
With peace.
1-12 can be discarded on the basis of it being a mix of a lack of propositional relationships, absence of valid means of inference, redundant assertions, and incoherent rambling.
13 and 14 Are bare assertions, and..even if true, may not accurately represent what came before the big bang, if anything came before the big bang. I;d also strongly caution against their use by a god believer. Replace the terms "lawless state" and "stateless universe" with "god" and it should be easy to see why.
15 asserts the very thing you are attempting to prove with this "cold hard logic", this makes it useless as a premise...and if it's the conclusion....it doesn't follow from anything before it.
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