RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 8, 2017 at 9:36 am
(November 8, 2017 at 9:19 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:(November 8, 2017 at 9:05 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It doesn't matter where you are, and you know that. The catechism is entirely online. If you can access Wikipedia, you can access the Catechism.
Furthermore, you're claiming that Wikipedia says "Catholic clergy" said that all non christians go to hell. But it doesnt say that. I read it twice, and also asked you to copy and paste where it says that on wiki. Which you haven't done.
You're just straight up blatantly lying, atlas. Its disappointing because I thought you were above that. But I guess now I know.
LOC, I do believe what my religious doctrines state. Atlas is making stuff up about what Catholicism teaches.
In post number #277 from this topic (which can be accessed from the link below) I wrote:
https://atheistforums.org/thread-52012-p...pid1653165
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Quote:[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_hell#Roman_Catholicism]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_...atholicism
The Catechism of the Catholic Church, in 1992, declared that it is sure a norm in Catholic faith, that hell is a fiery punishment for refusing to love God.
Sorry but if this doesn't prove what I say about Catholic believes; what can prove?
(November 8, 2017 at 9:05 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:
LOC, I do believe what my religious doctrines state. Atlas is making stuff up about what Catholicism teaches.
I'm not making anything up.
You're the one making things up and practicing missionary actions. Bash me; go on. I'm bullet proof. Banning me is also a good choice
Atlas, thats quite a reach. Not believing that God exists, or being of a different faith than Christianity, isn't the same as conscientiously refusing to love Him. We have to first believe He is real before choosing to turn our backs to Him, and theres no way to know who did that. That's why we as Catholics specifically steer clear of assuming any particular person is in Hell. The source you posted itself said that the only beings we can be absolutely sure are in Hell are Satan and his followers. Because we cannot see into a person's heart and know their motives and their intentions and wheher they made a conscious decision to reject God. No where in Catholic teaching will you see it said that non Christians go to Hell. Nowhere. We are specifically not allowed to say that because we simply don't know and it isn't our place to judge the state of another person's soul.
No offense, but you are a Muslim living in a Muslim country where Christianity isn't even allowed. I guarantee that i, as a practicing Catholic my whole life, know more about Catholicism than you. As you know more about Islam than me. You don't see me in here trying to teach YOU about the Islam faith, do you? That would be incredibly ridiculous of me.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
