Theism is literally childish

[Brian37]

CL, if you had a loved one or friend who was 50 years old, and day after day kept on repeating that Apollo was real, you might like and love them, but to us, it is no different than if you were 50 and literally believed Frosty The Snowman was real.

Yes we do find religion childish. It is a relic of antiquity. It is gap filling. Why is it so hard for you to accept your finite existence? Why do you think you even need your god when you rightfully reject those of all others? You live fine without belief in Apollo, or Vishnu, Thor and Zeus and Allah.

Most humans get sold their religions as kids long before they can critically think about what their parents sell them.There is no polite way to say, "That was then, this is now".

I do find it childish to fear change. I do find it childish to cling to the claims of antiquity, which in reality we don't completely do. If we clung to the old ways, we would still be stuck a very oppressive age, where women and minorities would be treated worse. it took humans questioning social norms to break free from the bad claims of antiquity.

Nothing horrible will happen to you, or anyone of any religion if they stop clinging to old claims. I see the same fear in adults that I had as a kid fearing the shadows on the night time wall. I outgrew that fear, and humans can and have overcome their fear of being finite. 

Yes, we do find it childish knowing the planet is 4 billion years old, in a universe full of an estimated 2 trillion galaxies, in a 13.8 billion years old. 

CL bluntness and blasphemy are not a crime. And we are not singling out Christianity either. I'd say the same thing to a Muslim and Jew too. "That was then this is now".

I think humans are perfectly capable of doing good and being good without clinging to old mythology. I see lots of good in you too, I simply don't think you need claims of magic babies and men magically surviving rigor mortis. I see lots of good in Atlass33, but no, I do not think he needs Allah either. 

I see the claims of antiquity as childish. Humans created those things as gap filling back then as a way to form social structures and sure, lots of great artwork and monuments too. Lots of pretty stories you can find in all of them, but just like the Ancient Egyptians, still did not make the gods real. Evolution and the planet and the universe have been around far longer than our species. I do not see any cosmic string puller in all this. 

And again, I have every right to comment on this because I grew up a believer. I can still like and love those around me who still believe. My mom went her entire life a Catholic, but she was never afraid of my position and still loved me too. 

I don't like lying to people about my position. We get that you like what you believe, many of us used to be where you are still at. We are simply saying maybe you got it wrong. We are not going to have you arrested, we wont outlaw your religion or any for that matter. But don't expect anyone here to sugar coat our positions.

Seriously, try thinking about why you reject all other claims besides your own position. Maybe you will see what we see. We are really not trying to hurt you but help you. But please CL, like Atlass have been here for years. I think you know we are not out to get you, but challenging your logic. 

Just like I love and miss my late mother. Just because I deeply love her does not mean I think she got everything right.

  Careful Neo, someone is gunning for your pompous ass title.

How is honesty being "pompuous"?

Did we have as a species back then, modern knowledge of science? 

Do you think the beliefs back then were good? Like the belief that kings and ruling families were good? Do you think belief that women/girls were to be bartered between families like property are a good thing? Do you think condemning others because they don't belong to your tribe is a good thing?

I don't think saying "that was then this is now" is pompous. 

So Hawking saying "A God is not required" must make him pompous too. 

I do not have to refrain from criticism of ANY religions.  I think humanity is much better off because of countless humans in the past questioning social norms. I don't think it s pompous that humans now reject religiously justified sexism. I don't think it is pompous that religiously based bigotry is challenged. I don't think it is pompous that LGBT and their supporters refused to accept the religious claims that were used to harm them for so long.

Is it "pompous" to state the fact that humans didn't exist 4 billion years ago? We didn't, and I wont refrain from stating the fact that in 5 billion years humans wont exist either. 

I get it makes humans uncomfortable to think about these things. But that does not make me "pompous". 

"Pompous" to me is thinking "all this" was put here for one species and one club to has dominion over all other clubs. THAT to be is pompous. And yes childish on a planet of 7 billion.