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Dr. Craig contradiction.
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RE: Dr. Craig contradiction.
(November 9, 2017 at 9:07 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:
(November 9, 2017 at 8:07 am)Jehanne Wrote: No one in Science claims that it is 100% true that the Earth orbits the Sun, because the idea that the Universe itself is, in fact, a simulation is taken seriously within Science:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis

And, so, unlike the theism of WLC, all scientific knowledge is provisional knowledge, not absolute.

Did we move away from the falsfiability thing; can I consider that resolved?

As to the 100% thing, verses someone saying 99.9%.... I would be hesitant to make any long conclusions on the matter, unless they are specifically talking about the concerns you are raising.  I suspect a good many may be intending the same thing.  (I did notice that you did not quote Craig on this part, so I don't know the context.) 

I do agree, that we can be mistaken, that we may misunderstand or not observe what we think that we did.  I also think that we can have essentially 100% certainty in some things.  I am doubtful that solipsism is taken very seriously by any large number of scientist and even then it is a metaphysical matter any way.  Similarly I am also skeptical that simulation theory is the reason behind very many who won't state 100%  certainty.  It seems to me, that there needs to be quite a bit of certainty that observations and tests are true, in order to study science.

Your last comment is interesting as well.  I find this an curious part of the false dilemma between science and religion, which I believe is the result of atheists group think.  Something that is repeated often among the group, but not really thought about or reasoned through.  Theism does not require any such thing, nor does science make any dictations in such a manner. I have talked to advocates of evolution who are quite dogmatic, and theists who are very liberal. 

I fear that you may be trying to make quite a lot out of nothing.

There's not one "theism", there are many.  Wide disagreements exist of the meaning of the word "god".  Is he (or, "she") omnipotent, for instance?  But, I digress.  But, no, I have not at all changed my mind regarding my OP.  I think that WLC has contradicted himself, as he does often.

The conflict between science (of which, there is only really one), and religion (of which there are an infinite number of) is intractable.  Science makes testable predictions; religion does not; scientific claims are falsifiable, religious claims are not; science is universal (or, nearly so), religions are not; in science, strangers can agree, in religion, they don't; science is well-defined, religion is ill-defined, or in many cases, undefined; science reaches firm conclusions, religion is always changing, always evolving, etc.
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Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - March 30, 2016 at 10:05 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Minimalist - March 30, 2016 at 10:08 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - March 31, 2016 at 10:57 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by abaris - March 31, 2016 at 10:58 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Minimalist - March 31, 2016 at 12:06 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by athrock - March 31, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - March 31, 2016 at 6:34 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by athrock - March 31, 2016 at 7:32 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - March 31, 2016 at 7:35 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by athrock - April 1, 2016 at 2:37 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - April 1, 2016 at 10:38 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Whateverist - April 1, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by athrock - April 1, 2016 at 5:40 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Whateverist - April 2, 2016 at 1:38 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - March 31, 2016 at 6:48 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by JuliaL - April 1, 2016 at 3:25 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by SteveII - April 1, 2016 at 3:46 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 3, 2017 at 10:54 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Abaddon_ire - November 3, 2017 at 11:39 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by athrock - April 1, 2016 at 5:34 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - April 1, 2016 at 10:51 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - April 1, 2016 at 11:18 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by JuliaL - April 1, 2016 at 11:27 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by SteveII - April 5, 2016 at 1:34 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - April 5, 2016 at 8:42 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 3:49 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 1, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by athrock - April 1, 2016 at 5:43 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 2, 2016 at 1:18 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 2, 2016 at 8:35 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - April 2, 2016 at 8:49 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 2, 2016 at 9:47 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - April 2, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 2, 2016 at 11:04 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 5, 2016 at 1:42 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by robvalue - April 6, 2016 at 4:05 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by possibletarian - November 2, 2017 at 9:33 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Godscreated - November 3, 2017 at 12:58 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 3, 2017 at 8:24 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Godscreated - November 3, 2017 at 5:55 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 3, 2017 at 8:01 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Godscreated - November 3, 2017 at 9:44 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 4, 2017 at 11:10 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2017 at 9:52 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Godscreated - November 7, 2017 at 12:36 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 7, 2017 at 6:44 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cod - November 7, 2017 at 7:22 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 3, 2017 at 1:22 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Succubus - November 3, 2017 at 11:35 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by possibletarian - November 3, 2017 at 5:24 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Godscreated - November 3, 2017 at 5:19 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Edwardo Piet - November 3, 2017 at 5:33 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Godscreated - November 3, 2017 at 8:21 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by possibletarian - November 3, 2017 at 8:19 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 6, 2017 at 12:06 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 6, 2017 at 12:50 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 6, 2017 at 3:19 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - November 3, 2017 at 7:58 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cod - November 3, 2017 at 5:23 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - November 3, 2017 at 6:05 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - November 7, 2017 at 11:51 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Ravenshire - November 8, 2017 at 3:49 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by KevinM1 - November 7, 2017 at 11:52 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 7, 2017 at 9:02 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Astreja - November 7, 2017 at 9:17 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 7, 2017 at 9:21 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Astreja - November 7, 2017 at 9:26 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 7, 2017 at 10:52 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 8, 2017 at 10:40 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 7, 2017 at 9:36 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Astreja - November 7, 2017 at 9:54 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 7, 2017 at 11:22 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 8, 2017 at 6:46 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 8, 2017 at 1:23 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by downbeatplumb - November 8, 2017 at 2:47 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Succubus - November 8, 2017 at 3:59 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Astreja - November 8, 2017 at 4:18 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 8, 2017 at 4:25 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 8, 2017 at 11:28 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 9, 2017 at 8:07 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 9, 2017 at 9:07 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 10:13 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 10:46 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Abaddon_ire - November 10, 2017 at 11:12 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 10, 2017 at 11:35 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 11:46 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Abaddon_ire - November 10, 2017 at 11:50 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 10, 2017 at 11:58 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Astreja - November 10, 2017 at 12:19 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 10, 2017 at 12:21 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Astreja - November 10, 2017 at 2:12 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Abaddon_ire - November 10, 2017 at 12:29 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 10, 2017 at 2:01 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 2:07 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 2:27 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 2:44 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 2:48 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 3:00 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 3:38 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 3:49 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 4:06 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 4:22 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Abaddon_ire - November 10, 2017 at 4:26 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 4:37 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 4:50 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Abaddon_ire - November 10, 2017 at 4:57 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by RoadRunner79 - November 10, 2017 at 5:03 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 4:29 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Harry Nevis - November 13, 2017 at 3:24 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Jehanne - November 10, 2017 at 1:42 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by The Grand Nudger - November 9, 2017 at 12:48 am
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Edwardo Piet - November 9, 2017 at 9:13 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - November 10, 2017 at 12:19 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2017 at 12:20 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2017 at 12:23 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 10, 2017 at 12:23 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - November 10, 2017 at 12:25 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 10, 2017 at 12:26 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Cyberman - November 10, 2017 at 12:27 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by The Grand Nudger - November 10, 2017 at 12:27 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by MysticKnight - November 10, 2017 at 12:39 pm
RE: Dr. Craig contradiction. - by Abaddon_ire - November 10, 2017 at 4:12 pm

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