(November 10, 2017 at 11:58 am)MysticKnight Wrote:Then you will be right away presenting evidence for whichever of the thousands of claimed deities you claim is true, right? You can do that at least, Right?(November 10, 2017 at 11:50 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Because the religious know full well that they can present no evidence that ANY god exists, thus they avoid the question.
When Atheists blurt out things they want to be true like your phrase with no knowledge, there is seriously limitations to what a person aware of proofs can do to convince a person who doesn't want to be convinced of God.
Of course you can't.
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I tell you what - either A or B and I will change my mind of Atheists generally being stubborn people who want to hold on to ignorance as proof that God is not known to others.
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There is no proof of any claimed "god".
Perhaps you will be the first to produce such. I will not be holding my breath.
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A. Present well in the best charitable manner all arguments for God by at least five famous philosophers and show they are wrong. Charitable means you ought to look for premises to further their premises and claims, not just debunk them. Show you really tried to see it - fill in hidden premises - and show why it's not true.
B. Present well all the arguments I have brought over the years for God or at least five of what you think are my better or clearer arguments. Do the same as above and show why it's wrong.
I have yet to meet a truly sincerely searching Atheist for the truth with all out resolve. I see people vehement with a passion to remain ignorant. I see some looking for evidence confused, but really a little effort on their part to understand.
I want to see at least one not like this.
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That is shifting the burden of proof. You claim a god exists. Demonstrate that this is true.
If any god was demonstrated, I would certainly believe in it. None ever has.