RE: Theism is literally childish
November 10, 2017 at 4:32 pm
(This post was last modified: November 10, 2017 at 4:39 pm by Aroura.)
BTW I don't think that saying someone has childish aspects is viewing them as "contemptible". I have childish aspects. I still love kids movies, books, and games. It's not a terrible trait, depending on how it is expressed. I also would like to say that while I kudos and agree with some of the OP, I do not think people of any age willfully choose anything, so there is literally no point in judging them over it. We can recognize traits, and I'm all for that, but then to go on to call the persons who display those traits willfully ignorant or the like is just, well, it's hurtful and counterproductive.
Now, thinking someone is morally flawed person who chooses to ignore the divine in pursuit of selfish material desires, that is viewing someone as contemptible. Which not all theists do view atheists as (thank you to the more kind and understanding among you!), but yeah, we get generalized a lot harsher than "childish", pretty often as well.
I actually don't mind that theism has childish aspects. To be 100% frank, a large part of me completely envies that about theists. I really do wish I could retreat into that, to feel safe and loved and immortal again, like I did in my teens and 20's. But It's the nasty, overly-judgy, pushy parts of theism (And those that do those things) I dislike. And again, not all, or even most, are like that. I dislike it when atheists are like that, too!
So, I hope clarified my stance on all that, if anyone even cares. :p
Peace.
Some atheists do indeed more actively believe there are no gods, but many still simply lack belief. Sometimes it depends on which God we are discussing. Like Zeus and Jehova are both in the same category, to me, of active disbelief. But more general "deistic" gods, if you will, are more in the lack belief category.
Atheism itself can range widely, but I think that is more on the Gnostic/agnostic sale than the atheist/theist scale, you know what I mean?
So I think it would depend on both the atheist, and the specific conversation.
For instance, about the existence of a Zeus, who lives on top of a mountain and controls lighting, I can say I am a gnostic atheists. I'm pretty damn sure he isn't real. But the pretty damn sure part is not the belief part, it's the knowing part (gnostic/agnostic).
Am I making sense?
Now, thinking someone is morally flawed person who chooses to ignore the divine in pursuit of selfish material desires, that is viewing someone as contemptible. Which not all theists do view atheists as (thank you to the more kind and understanding among you!), but yeah, we get generalized a lot harsher than "childish", pretty often as well.
I actually don't mind that theism has childish aspects. To be 100% frank, a large part of me completely envies that about theists. I really do wish I could retreat into that, to feel safe and loved and immortal again, like I did in my teens and 20's. But It's the nasty, overly-judgy, pushy parts of theism (And those that do those things) I dislike. And again, not all, or even most, are like that. I dislike it when atheists are like that, too!
So, I hope clarified my stance on all that, if anyone even cares. :p
Peace.
(November 10, 2017 at 4:32 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:(November 10, 2017 at 4:10 pm)Aroura Wrote: If someone says "atheists don't have beliefs", yah, they mean the atheism part of an atheist, not the whole person. There is literally no one in the entire world who would say any adult person doesn't make claims or have beliefs. Everyone does. You are intentionally misunderstanding the meaning, are clearly talking about this one aspect. I would call it poorly worded, not bullshit. And I would call you disingenuous for going after semantics over the obvious implied meaning.
Perhaps I wasn't precise enough, but yes, I was talking about beliefs and claims in regards to God or gods. I'm was not saying that they do not believe in nothing at all.
I find that many make statements that betray a position of a mere lack of belief, and they try to slither out of it.
Some atheists do indeed more actively believe there are no gods, but many still simply lack belief. Sometimes it depends on which God we are discussing. Like Zeus and Jehova are both in the same category, to me, of active disbelief. But more general "deistic" gods, if you will, are more in the lack belief category.
Atheism itself can range widely, but I think that is more on the Gnostic/agnostic sale than the atheist/theist scale, you know what I mean?
So I think it would depend on both the atheist, and the specific conversation.
For instance, about the existence of a Zeus, who lives on top of a mountain and controls lighting, I can say I am a gnostic atheists. I'm pretty damn sure he isn't real. But the pretty damn sure part is not the belief part, it's the knowing part (gnostic/agnostic).
Am I making sense?
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