RE: Theism is literally childish
November 12, 2017 at 5:50 am
(This post was last modified: November 12, 2017 at 6:11 am by I_am_not_mafia.)
(November 11, 2017 at 8:47 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: What? It has nothing to do with an argument for God's existence. Matilda is making assertions about all theists that simply aren't true.
No, I am making assertions about the character of theistic indoctrination. There is a limit in how infantilising it can be because people still have to function as adults in the real world. It's like the idea that children pick up languages very quickly and that we should all learn a second language as if we're a child. This doesn't work in practise because children have a much more limited vocabularly and they aren't expected to function as adults. But I am saying that there are aspects to the process of maturing over the course of your life, particularly as a child, that religious indoctrination tries to reverse or to at least inhibit. This is not the same as saying that all theists are immature. No person is a two dimensional character, we are all made up of many different facets and religious indoctrination tries to infantilise a select few of those facets.
Perhaps if you understood that you would see how I am not stawmanning but trying to describe the nature of a process.
(November 11, 2017 at 9:24 pm)alpha male Wrote: Special pleading. You find inanimate matter coming to life plausible, so that's not delusion. You find a creator god less plausible, so that's delusion.
Strawman argument and equivocation. No one said that it was inanimate matter coming to life. And equivocation as to what you ven mean by inanimate matter. Is a car made up of inanimate matter? I am not going to derail my own thead by explaining what we know to you though, but feel free to start a new thread about abiogenesis. But what I will say is that we are making inferences from a body of scientific knowledge developed from reproducible observations and falsfisable hypotheses that can be tested.
The more we learn about science though the less plausible the idea of a god becomes. But that does not mean by itself that it is delusional. The fact that all interactions and personal relationship with your god is indistinguishable from being an imaginary friend makes it delusional. You have zero evidence that what you are imagining is in any way real yet believe it anyway because you want it to be true. Part of maturing is understanding that you don't always get what you want no matter how much you want it. This is how religious indoctrination works. It gives you permission to believe in the fantasy it is peddling when it is not warranted. And if you want something else, then it tells you to pray for it.
