(November 13, 2017 at 9:11 am)alpha male Wrote:(November 12, 2017 at 11:58 pm)emjay Wrote: Maybe it is but it is nonetheless how I feel. I do not have a burning desire to fill every gap, and do not lose any sleep over not knowing the answer to certain questions, only the questions that are important to me.
The issue is that, regarding a theist with a similar position, you say they have all the hallmarks of delusion.
Quote:As to Occam's Razor... yeah, but then it's just turtles all the way down isn't it? If there was always something rather than nothing, which I believe is possible, then there is no need to 'multiply entities needlessly' by adding a God,
On what evidence do you believe that an eternally existing universe is possible?
Quote:Once in a million, billion, or gazillion still shows possibility; statistically rare but materialistically possible will always trump magic for me.
You have no evidence that it's materially possible. Just the opposite.
Quote:Anyway you clearly know more about this than I do, so I at least read a bit of the wiki on abiogenesis; it's more than I knew (specifically at least... maybe I knew it in the back of my mind from long ago) that amino acids had already produced in experiments designed to replicate the supposed early conditions of earth. So here's me been waiting for something like that to happen... and it already has... sixty odd years ago but then I've always been a bit behind the times
You're still behind. Science no longer thinks that the Urey-Miller experiment replicated early conditions on earth.
But even if it had, it produced a few amino acids. Every day, millions of creatures die. They don't have a few amino acids, they have all the materials necessary for life. But, abiogenesis has never been observed on any of these. You could say that's because they get eaten. But, isolate them, and still - no life. Put them in a pool of water with whatever chemicals you lie and add heat to simulate the sun - still no life. Add electricity to simulate lightning - still, no life.
For you, time appears to be magic.
Quote:So the current state of research is presumably what you're talking about? ie the move from organic molecules to living cells? From what I gather, there are many competing theories, so despite your millions of negative results, if that's what you were referring to, it looks like a hot field with a lot of potential...
May competing theories means that not one of them has solid evidence. Why do you assign potential to such a situation?
Quote:and as far as I'm concerned... if amino acids have already been produced that way, there's every reason to be confident that the rest is just a matter of time.
Oh wow, you even confirmed the point. Time = magic.
Magic, is what your comic book contains. You don't get to blame us for the ignorance of the writers of that time back then.
Otherwise the far older Hindu Creator God Brahama exists. What's that you say, nonsense? GREAT, now try understanding that we simply reject one more sky wizard than you do.
Back when your comic book was written, the writers and buyers literally believed men MAGICALLY popped out of dirt. Back then they stupidly believed the earth was made in 6 literal days. Back then they had no damned clue that females contributed half the DNA. Back then they had no clue what rigor mortis was.
Now do yourself a favor, go read and LEARN about the polytheistic mythology surrounding Mesopotamia and Eygpt. Study the mythology of Buddhism and Hinduism. THEN come back and tell my Christianity isn't full of magical claims.
Here is a list of human history of the world's claims of "Creator Gods"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creator_deity
I am sorry it bothers you that we are not buying your claim for your specific deity, but we don't treat you any differently than anyone of any other religion. Try understanding why you reject all other claims besides your own, then maybe you can understand why we reject your claim as well.