RE: Theism is literally childish
November 14, 2017 at 10:32 am
(This post was last modified: November 14, 2017 at 10:50 am by Catholic_Lady.)
(November 14, 2017 at 8:05 am)Mathilda Wrote:(November 13, 2017 at 2:39 pm)SteveII Wrote:Quote:Mathilda: They are not taught to think through the morality of their actions but to accept the morality without question that some person wearing a pointy hat gives them. They are conditioned to obey authority and to have faith rather than to ask why.
1.2 - Who teaches their 2 year old to share or not not to hit because the Bible says so? Who teaches an 8 year old not to cheat on their test because the Church says so? Who teaches a 13 year old not to drink and do drugs because Jesus says so? Your assertion has no basis in reality because 99% of childhood moral guidelines are exactly the same as a non-religious family. Do you imagine that religious parent somehow become incapable to teaching morality without answering "because the 10 commandments forbid it and we don't ask questions"? You are erecting a strawman.
You are conflating religious indoctrination with how you raise children. I am specifically referring to religious indoctrination. Most christians do not raise their children solely through religious indoctrination. Although we do see horrendous cases when parents actually do. Your very argument is that "99% of childhood moral guidelines are exactly the same as a non-religious family", which means that your objection is irrelevant because I specifically referred to religious conditioning.
Maybe you should actually try countering the point I actually made though that if you are taught to accept a morality without question rather than taught to think through the morality of your actions then you are being conditioned to obey authority and have faith rather than ask why. Your argument is that a religious parent is still capable of teaching morality, but if you believe that morality is absolute and has been described in the Bible then it cannot be adequately justified. This teaches the child to use a get-out clause for any of its moral decisions later on in life. i.e. Because the bible says so.
By all means, continue to tell me more about "what I was taught to think."
You must believe we are all really shitty parents and had really shitty parents if you think we simply teach/were taught "don't do this because the bible says so," and that's it. That's called bigotry. Also, I was NEVER "taught" to use a "get out clause" for any of my moral decisions. That's ridiculous, but thanks for telling me what my parents taught me and what I believe and how I am and how I act.
Hey, how about you actually test your unflattering claim before making it and applying it to all of us? I'm serious, let's do this. Take something that is accepted as morally wrong in Christianity and ask ANY Christian here "hey, why is this particular action immoral?" And see if the answer is "because the bible says so." Go ahead. There are entire books written about moral theology which explains in detail why certain things are morally wrong. There are entire philosophy books on Natural Law. It is extremely important to teach a child the why behind morality. Let any Christian parent here tell you otherwise.
(November 14, 2017 at 10:26 am)Mathilda Wrote:(November 14, 2017 at 10:13 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: "Only God can pass judgement" means only God can pass judgement on a person's soul. Meaning we can't condemn people to Hell. We can't say "Sussie who died last night went to Hell," because we cannot judge the state of her soul. NO WHERE in all my lifetime as a Christian, being raised by Christian parents, going to church, and going to Catholic school, was I EVER taught that consequences of this life are "irrelevant." That is an absolutely ridiculous thing to say about all of us and our parents and our faith.
What is a soul?
Once you try to define it I strongly suspect that your argument will be relying upon equivocation.
The soul is what lives on after we die. You don't believe in souls, I get that. I'm not here to argue the existence of one, so quit with the deflection. My point is your claim about us being taught that "consequences of this life are irrelevant because only God can judge" is complete bullshit. But you knew that's what my point was.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
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