(November 14, 2017 at 11:01 am)Mathilda Wrote:(November 14, 2017 at 10:32 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The soul is what lives on after we die. You don't believe in souls, I get that. I'm not here to argue the existence of one, so quit with the deflection. My point is your claim about us being taught that "consequences of this life are irrelevant because only God can judge" is complete bullshit. But you knew that's what my point was.
Right. So what exactly lives on after we die? Our consciousness? Our identities and memories? Everything that makes us who we are as a person minus a corporeal body? If so then when you say:
(November 14, 2017 at 10:13 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: "Only God can pass judgement" means only God can pass judgement on a person's soul. Meaning we can't condemn people to Hell.
... what you actually mean is that only your god can pass judgment based on who we are and send us to Hell.
And what criteria does he use to pass judgment? Our looks? Our wealth? Whether we chose the correct religion out of the many thousands that have ever existed? Or our moral decisions?
Regardless. When faced with the consequences of such judgment then anything that gets done on Earth is pretty small scale to the point of being irrelevant when compared to an eternity of happiness or agony.
Judgement I am allowed to make: Mathilda is clearly prejudice against people of faith. This prejudice is causing her to act obtuse on purpose, so that she can keep on thinking the worst of us despite all of us telling her that her assertions about us are false. The consequence is that I have lost respect for her, and I will start a thread asking the staff to explain exactly why this provocative thread of hers doesn't break the rules against wild generalizations on entire groups of people.
Judgement I am not allowed to make: Mathilda is going to Hell.
See the difference?
Now I'll say it again:
YOU made the claim that theists (that includes me) were "taught that consequences of their actions are irrelevant because only God can judge." I am sitting here, as a flesh and bone, real life theist, telling you that I was NOT taught what you are claiming I was taught. And I am explaining to you that me believing that God will decide who goes to Hell, does not in any way shape or form make me believe consequences of this life are irrelevant, or that we can't judge people in other ways besides the state of their souls.
...And you are still sitting here arguing with me.
Person A: you believe this and you were taught this
Person B: Um actually no, no I wasn't. And no, I don't.
Person A: Yes you do!
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh