(November 14, 2017 at 12:01 pm)Mathilda Wrote:(November 14, 2017 at 11:22 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: YOU made the claim that theists (that includes me) were "taught that consequences of their actions are irrelevant because only God can judge." I am sitting here, as a flesh and bone, real life theist, telling you that I was NOT taught what you are claiming I was taught.
I am not saying that religious indoctrination explicitly states that the consequences of your actions are irrelevant, but it achieves this by trivialising the importance of your real-world life with the idea of an eternity of happiness and agony. And it is taught that this judgment is only carried out by your god.
After all, it is precisely for this reason that many christians manage to console themselves with how their life has turned out because they think there is a better one waiting for them. So you can't have it both ways. Either the actions and choices you have in this life are of utmost importance because this is the only life that we have, or they diminish in importance because there are far greater consequences ahead to consider.
To draw an analogy. It's important to be polite to random strangers, such as letting them jump ahead in the queue. But not if I have been taught that a great catastrophe is about to happen, that I have a family to protect and we're all trying to grab the last remaining items of food on the shelf. The information that we are given determines the importance that we assign to our actions.
Well to be fair, the concepts of Karma and reincarnation do the same thing. It makes this life less important too.
But that isn't a flaw in logic only Christians own. Our species worldwide mostly believes in some sort of magical forever. Humans have always had their mythology of behavior regulation regardless.
The truth of the God of Abraham is that it was a lesser god under a head God in Canaanite polytheism as part of a divine family. It was elevated to the Hebrew monotheist Yahweh as a result of marketing. It was a political way of uniting the different tribes of polytheism. Christianity and Islam were simply further attempts to redefine this same character.
But the same can be said as to why Buddhism got started. Depending on the sect or historian you ask, you'd get different stories as to when he lived and where he lived. But even with that, you notice all the stories are either in India and or close to India. You also realize Buddhism incorporates old tropes like Karma and reincarnation. A lot like the early Christians attached themselves to the Jewish Old Testament.
Point is I agree she cannot define a "soul" nor prove that any afterlife reward or afterlife punishment exists. But those monotheism were not the first to make claims of "souls" or "spirits". Polytheism was making those claims long before those three existed.