RE: Theism is literally childish
November 16, 2017 at 7:48 am
(This post was last modified: November 16, 2017 at 8:03 am by Catholic_Lady.)
(November 16, 2017 at 7:30 am)Mathilda Wrote: It's not fair debating a tag-team of theists because each one sincerely believes a different fairy tale. So they can choose a belief system to best answer a question. Whereas atheists are constrained to argue about what happens in reality.
So CL challenges me on saying that christianity teaches that only their god can judge and says that what this actually means is all their god can do is decide whether your soul (i.e. everything about you that makes you you) goes to heaven or hell. Then Alpha male challenges my assertion that being judged by their god on whether you end up in Heaven or Hell trivialises real-world decisions by saying that those decisions are also judged by their god to see what kind of perks we get in the afterlife.
This is the difficulty of arguing with a bunch of people who are just making up shit. Because if they weren't, they'd be consistent right? And that is actually Alpha Male's argument as well. He dismisses all scientific hypotheses, no matter how similar if they do not 100% agree and uses that opportunity to insert his own god-magic explanation. Yet being part of a tag-team of theists they can collectively switch to whichever interpretation of that best answers the question. So using Alpha Male's standards of debate I should be able to dismiss all theist arguments because none of them agree,
I am beginning to think that although religious indoctrination does seek to infantilise, sincere theist belief isn't so much childish as more akin to a mental illness. it's like trying to argue with a paranoid schizophrenic that everyone isn't out to kill them. Whatever you say, their brain will use it for confirmation bias.
I think I will explore these themes by starting new threads.
Well that's kind of the point then, isn't it? Theists are made up of billions of people world wide. Lumping us all together and spewing ridiculous bullshit like telling us all that we "weren't raise properly", that we think "consequences are irrelevant", That we "don't take responsibility for our actions", isn't the smartest thing to do. (Also, way to misrepresent what I said)
It's always nice being diagnosed as a mentally ill paranoid schizophrenic by some stranger on the internet though. Get over yourself.
(November 16, 2017 at 7:46 am)Hammy Wrote: Yeah people who believe genuinely are like the mentally ill because they are deluded. It's socially acceptable psychosis that is functional in society because it's so common.
However... psychosis is also often infantile and childish because psychological regression is common amongst the mentally ill.
Honestly though, I didn't want to go there because I like you and I don't think mental illness is something to be used against someone...
...But being called mentally ill by you is kind of rich, just saying.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
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