Theism is literally childish

[Brian37]

It's not fair debating a tag-team of theists because each one sincerely believes a different fairy tale. So they can choose a belief system to best answer a question. Whereas atheists are constrained to argue about what happens in reality.

So CL challenges me on saying that christianity teaches that only their god can judge and says that what this actually means is all their god can do is decide whether your soul (i.e. everything about you that makes you you) goes to heaven or hell. Then Alpha male challenges my assertion that being judged by their god on whether you end up in Heaven or Hell trivialises real-world decisions by saying that those decisions are also judged by their god to see what kind of perks we get in the afterlife.

This is the difficulty of arguing with a bunch of people who are just making up shit. Because if they weren't, they'd be consistent right? And that is actually Alpha Male's argument as well. He dismisses all scientific hypotheses, no matter how similar if they do not 100% agree and uses that opportunity to insert his own god-magic explanation. Yet being part of a tag-team of theists they can collectively switch to whichever interpretation of that best answers the question. So using Alpha Male's standards of debate I should be able to dismiss all theist arguments because none of them agree,

I am beginning to think that although religious indoctrination does seek to infantilise, sincere theist belief isn't so much childish as more akin to a mental illness. it's like trying to argue with a paranoid schizophrenic that everyone isn't out to kill them. Whatever you say, their brain will use it for confirmation bias.

I think I will explore these themes by starting new threads.

Well that's kind of the point then, isn't it? Theists are made up of billions of people world wide. Lumping us all together and spewing ridiculous bullshit like telling us all that we "weren't raise properly", that we think "consequences are irrelevant", That we "don't take responsibility for our actions", isn't the smartest thing to do. (Also, way to misrepresent what I said)

It's always nice being diagnosed as a mentally ill paranoid schizophrenic by some stranger on the internet though. Get over yourself.

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Yeah people who believe genuinely are like the mentally ill because they are deluded. It's socially acceptable psychosis that is functional in society because it's so common.

However... psychosis is also often infantile and childish because psychological regression is common amongst the mentally ill.

Honestly though, I didn't want to go there because I like you and I don't think mental illness is something to be used against someone...

...But being called mentally ill by you is kind of rich, just saying.

CL, I am a liberal, I am FOR human rights. But that does not mean every claim a theist might make is true. 

YES I do lump ALL RELIGIONS, AS IDEAS, in as the same made up stuff humans pass on to their youth generation after generation. 

Buddhists will sell Buddhism to their kids. Hindus and Sikhs sell their religions to their kids. Jews and Muslims also. 



Nobody is singling you out CL.

If person A came up to you and said, "The New England Patriots beat the Houston Astros in Olympic Ping Pong, and prayed to Scooby Doo for the win".

Do not tell me you wouldn't be thinking, "OOOOOOOOOKaaaaaaaay"

Now that person may be non violent and very peaceful and kind, but that does not make thee above claim true.

If you are going to make claims based on antiquity, and the supernatural, if you expect us to not object, that is not going to happen here with us. 

I am sure you have objections to claims of Vishnu and Genish as well as Allah. I am sure you don't hate those who do claim those things, but you don't find those claims credible otherwise why not hold those claims yourself?

AND AGAIN, I am former Catholic myself, so I DO get to speak on this. 

NO, I do not find claims of virgin births credible. BUDDHA mythology also had him avoiding the birth canal being born out of the SIDE of his mother Queen Maya. I do not find claims of resurrection credible. I know what DNA is, in that it takes TWO sets, thus undermining virgin birth mythology. I know what rigor mortis is thus undermining resurrection mythology.


WE DON'T HATE YOU, we really don't, but yes, I think it IS delusional to buy into old mythology, just like it would be delusional to still buy claims of Apollo.

I wish there was a polite way to tell Muslims and Jews and Hindus and Buddhists that "That was then, this is now". I DO think MOST humans ARE GOOD, I just don't agree there is any magic to life. 

THAT is what we mean by "deluded". 

If you had a friend who walked out of restaurant bathroom with toilet paper dragging off their shoe, you'd want to tell them wouldn't you? This is not about YOU personally, this is about BAD LOGIC.