(November 22, 2017 at 4:31 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(November 22, 2017 at 4:10 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Yes, a very small step up. still quite backwards by moral standards. So what's to keep us from claiming the whole book is allegorical then? Including the character of Jesus?
I know some people here like to deny it, but there is evidence of Christ's existence and death by crucifixion under Punctius Pilot. The rapid spread of early Christianity, the men who were close friends with Jesus and died horrible deaths in His name, to me, are all testimony. So I believe the story of Jesus was real.
Quote:But if you want to talk about Jesus, then we can go with him telling slaves to obey even cruel masters, or telling people to hate their families. That he came not to bring peace, but a sword. The whole reason he told people to love their enemies, is because he thought the world was going to end in a generation or two. So forgive your enemies, sell all your belongings, and leave your families behind.
- Obedience to Master goes along with the teaching of turning the other cheeck. It can also be said that in that area/in those times, a "slave" was actually a servant who worked for the person to pay off a debt of sorts. It's long term work in exchange of something. We aren't talking about the people who get kidnapped from their land, sold as property, and forced to work.
-Where did Jesus tell people to hate their families? Please show me. Considering He told us to love our enemies, I highly doubt your assertion is true.
-As for the sword, remember what Jesus said to Peter when he had an actual sword with him and was about to strike a guard? He ordered Peter not to. He said "whoever lives by the sword will die from it." So clearly when Jesus says He "brought a sword," He was speaking figuratively. Many of the Jews of the time were angry and disappointed in Jesus specifically because they wanted Him to fight against the Romans with them, and He wouldn't.
-Where does Jesus say "love your enemy because the world will end in a generation or 2?" I have never heard that before. The teaching is about the virtues of humility, selflessness, and mercy. No talk about the world ending in a few years.
I really cant imagine a person reading the entirety of Jesus and His teachings, and coming away from it thinking Jesus was an immoral, bad person. I find it a bit dishonest, to be frank.
Have you read it CL, I thought you to be a reasonable person. Jesus said a lot of questionable things, just remove yourself from Jesus is love for a moment
and look it up.
He made a whip as well, look that one up.
Cod loves you, God certainly doesn't.
