RE: Free Will is a sign if God's inescapable weakness
November 30, 2017 at 8:41 am
(This post was last modified: November 30, 2017 at 8:56 am by Face2face.)
(November 22, 2017 at 6:30 pm)Martian Mermaid Wrote:(November 20, 2017 at 12:46 pm)AtheistNexus Wrote: Something from a book I am writing, that got my theist friend wiled up:
1. The job of machine learning researchers is to make smart software that do things that humans are effortlessly good at, like recognizing images.
2. These smart software are loosely inspired by the human brain, so they can learn somewhat like humans do.
3. These researchers, because they are non omniscient, they don't know how to make the perfectly smart software. As a result, the smart software that they build have to learn by trial and error/make mistakes in order to get better at doing tasks.
4. In a similar way, if Gods really gave humans free will, humans are using this free will to do both good and bad, but humans have actually learnt how to get better and better and less violent over the centuries.
5. This then has a surprising consequence; why would God need to give humans the chance to learn by free will, if God was smart enough to make perfect beings without the need to learn by trial and error? It implies that if free will is God given, God is non omniscient/non omnipotent in a similar way to how machine learning researchers are non omniscient, and therefore make smart software that need to learn by trial/error to get better at tasks!!!
I'm sorry, but I don't see where you are coming from. According to Christians, God made us imperfect on purpose, so of course we have to learn things.
However there are other issues with a God creating the free will that we have, I have just never seen this particular thing as an issue.
Yeah the 5 steps above already mention that bible God purposely made imperfect beings.
And this point shows exactly how inadequate the bible God is.
If bible God was a better engineer, he would be able to create beings that didn't require trial and error aka "free will" to learn from fuck ups??
Think about ford. If ford had the knowledge to create modern 2017 ford vehicles, why would Ford bother to release elementary tech cars back in the early days several decades ago?
Because ford developed elementary tech, this is an indication of Ford's mental limit / power limit.
In a similar way, bible God needing to make "imperfect" beings implies an insufficient creator.
