(August 19, 2011 at 2:23 pm)Rhythm Wrote: We had absolute control over the skies, technology wasn't the issue. What exactly are you saying here? That rebelling against tyranny without tanks and aircraft would be too difficult, so we should just lay down if it ever occurs? I trained soldiers heading into our current clusterfucks in MOUT, trust me, you don't want to be the soldier trying to dislodge people from their homes, or dragging your ass through the swamps of S FL with good ole boys picking at you from all sides and then fading back into the cypress. Sure our technology is powerful, but there is a little bit of propaganda at work as to how effective it is.
I told you already: the jungle was the issue. It's just great to have tanks, you know. Wonderful, really. It's even better when those tanks can't shoot at anything because of all the trees.
You'll notice the situation is quite different in an urban setting with nice little roads and ordered buildings. Sure, urban warfare has it's own difficulties... but being unable to see your enemy is not one of them.
It's pointless to consolidate florida without an unreasonable amount of force. It's a fucking swamp. Reason the US bought florida from the spanish: I'm still working on that. I really and truly don't see anything worthwhile in that swamp
Also, the way I conduct wars is quite different from 'dislodging people from their homes'. I'm a butcher when in charge of a military and someone dares to war with me. I've razed down entire quadrants of the galaxy without annexing them, committing three genocides in the process. I truly am unconcerned with the wellbeing of my enemies.
Quote:Sae, as for the perpetual standoff. If theres ever a standoff between our government and people, it's the government that has to give. It's absurd to suggest otherwise. Where would they draw their authority from if they stood opposed to the will of the people? We let go of the divine right of rule (at least in theory) a couple centuries back.
Why would the government give? It has all of the power and the people have none of it. If the people refuse to work: whip them. If they remain standing firm: slay them. Slavery is a necessary part of such a government.
They draw their authority from being able to slaughter the people. What else does a slave-driver need?
Quote:I'm not arguing here that kids should be walking down the streets with glocks in their waistbands. I'd even tell Summer there to buy a baseball bat for security instead of a 9. What I'm arguing against is providing government with the means to impose tyranny upon us in the name of our collective safety.
Impossible if you want a government with control. I prefer anarchy: more honest in its intentions all around.
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
