Why the hell do you reply to posts like this?!
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I was awake when you first replied... with nothing more than a quote of what I wrote.
And, apparently, 15 minutes later, you added your actual reply.
I've seen you do this over and over again. Why?!!
It was dumb luck on your part that I remembered to check this thread, even though it had no new replies since the last time I came by, close to my 23:45.
To tell you the truth, I was expecting you to do this, as I've been noticing that you often do this sort of thing.
If the EEG went flat, then present me with the reports by the doctors where they attest to the flatness of the EEG.
Saying that it's obvious, to me, is meaningless.
Doctors often produce a quick diagnosis based on the common case, the average person. And more often than they'd like to admit, those end up wrong.
For example: You go to an ER with a fever and a running nose, and you're dismissed with a flu. Some pills to lower your fever and help with any pain should be enough to get you back to normal... but then.... 3 days later... the fever is still there, you still feel rotten... well, you feel worse. Turns out, you have pneumonia, or TB, or a number of other possibilities that start out with a simple fever. And, for 3 whole days, you sit on a "flu diagnosis" by a fully certified doctor that turns out to be wrong.
Sure, more than 95% of the people who present themselves to ERs with a fever do have some variant of the flu.... but the other 5% get treated the same, because it's not worth spending the resources needed to discern the actual cause of the fever.
I'm willing to bet that most of the cases in those NDE cases you like so much, the doctors simply felt no pulse for some time and declared the person dead. Felt... with their own fingers... a very fallible diagnostic mechanism.
Given that, I'd like to know about the EEGs.
This is the log that we have for this post: Yesterday, 23:39 (This post was last modified: Yesterday, 23:54 by Little Rik.)
I was awake when you first replied... with nothing more than a quote of what I wrote.
And, apparently, 15 minutes later, you added your actual reply.
I've seen you do this over and over again. Why?!!
It was dumb luck on your part that I remembered to check this thread, even though it had no new replies since the last time I came by, close to my 23:45.
To tell you the truth, I was expecting you to do this, as I've been noticing that you often do this sort of thing.
(December 6, 2017 at 7:39 pm)Little Rik Wrote:(December 6, 2017 at 6:14 am)pocaracas Wrote: PhD in technological physics, expertise in Tomography on nuclear fusion devices.
Anything short of measuring electrical brain activity can't determine brain death. Lack of pulse for more than a few minutes is a good hint, but not definite.
You show me the EEG of those people that doctors declared dead.... but turned out to come back. The EEG during the whole event.
Or show me the criteria used by those same doctors to determine the person's death state, case-by-case. Go ahead. Don't just be gullible and accept the "doctor said he's dead, so he's dead" unthinking reason.
It is obvious that the EEG in those people had to be flat for sometime for the doctors to declare the bloke dead and as far as the bloke is physically dead only the consciousness can put together an out of body experience.
Is a pity that you haven’t read some of those experiences where real people, real accidents, real death, real places and real doctors went through those experiences.
Even stubborn and thick atheists changed their mind once they went through an NDE.
If the EEG went flat, then present me with the reports by the doctors where they attest to the flatness of the EEG.
Saying that it's obvious, to me, is meaningless.
Doctors often produce a quick diagnosis based on the common case, the average person. And more often than they'd like to admit, those end up wrong.
For example: You go to an ER with a fever and a running nose, and you're dismissed with a flu. Some pills to lower your fever and help with any pain should be enough to get you back to normal... but then.... 3 days later... the fever is still there, you still feel rotten... well, you feel worse. Turns out, you have pneumonia, or TB, or a number of other possibilities that start out with a simple fever. And, for 3 whole days, you sit on a "flu diagnosis" by a fully certified doctor that turns out to be wrong.
Sure, more than 95% of the people who present themselves to ERs with a fever do have some variant of the flu.... but the other 5% get treated the same, because it's not worth spending the resources needed to discern the actual cause of the fever.
I'm willing to bet that most of the cases in those NDE cases you like so much, the doctors simply felt no pulse for some time and declared the person dead. Felt... with their own fingers... a very fallible diagnostic mechanism.
Given that, I'd like to know about the EEGs.
