(December 24, 2017 at 10:09 am)Tizheruk Wrote: 1. There is a difference between not having a conscience yet and being in a different state of an already existent conscience . So this fails .
2. If my slumber was violating someone else's body . Then i would not begrudge them for killing me .
3. This sounds like the tired "would you like to have liked to been aborted " If the price of my birth is the endangerment of women and the loss of their reproductive say . Then my life is not worth it .
4. Yup a fetus is parasitic tissue . That does not mean you cannot miss it.
The other horrible logic from religion is thinking we are the apex of evolution, or special to life. Somehow theists stupidly think that when we say we are ONE of billions of species, that we are saying life is meaningless. THAT IS NOT what we are saying.
In a perfect world every baby would be healthy and wanted, and taken care of after birth. BUT we don't live in a perfect world. I feel very lucky even with all the problems in my life how it has gone so far. But no, I would not want to be born brain damaged, or be born into an abusive home to the point I might grow up to be a serial killer, nor would I want to be born into conditions of starving or war.
The reality for all life, including humans, it is still a crap shoot and all you can do is seek to reduce potential harm. Religion chases a impossible utopia. But it is a fucking myth that we are heartless or lack the desire to want to improve the human condition. We would love every baby healthy and wanted and stable, but we don't want religion bullying society.
EDUCATION and ECONOMICS and allowing more home time for parents. THAT IS THE LONG TERM SOLUTION but again, you can only seek to reduce the conditions but you will never get rid of it by doing what religion wants.
