RE: Do my parents fear that I'll leave the faith?
December 28, 2017 at 2:24 am
(This post was last modified: December 28, 2017 at 2:55 am by Godscreated.)
(December 27, 2017 at 8:03 am)Die Atheistin Wrote:(December 26, 2017 at 11:38 pm)Godscreated Wrote: For a Christian lying is never acceptable. Christians respect the moral code that God has given us, do we comply always, no we do not we are humans and we fail, we have seen the need of Jesus to redeem us unto God. Lying to your parents means you do not trust them nor do you respect them and I can tell you this leads to a dangerous life's choice. Of coarse this is all your call but I see it as a disaster later in life. Facing up to your parents now will in the end have a better result.
GC
So making them mad and not going to college will make my life better?
They may but you can't know that for sure. Many have worked their way through college because they wanted the education, they didn't burden their parents with paying for college and I dare say there are those on this forum that have done the same thing.
DA Wrote:Do you think that we shouldn't lie because there is a daddy in the sky who watches us? Not all atheists are moral, but the ones who are use logic and empathy to determine their moral code, and I'm sure that moral christians use also these rather than the Bible.
What makes you believe logic and empathy will be a good moral guide. They neither one have authority nor substance. Christians who follow the moral code given by God through the Bible and heart do not go all wishy washy on their morality.
If you're doing good out of fear of punishment and for reward you lack empathy. And if you bring the argument that something is right because God said so, it means that you follow him without questions, just like sheep.
Good and evil are relative, sometimes you're forced to do the wrong thing in order to do the right thing.[/quote]
Those who do such are not secure in their faith, those Christians who do good because it's the right thing to do have no fear of a punishment. Besides bad kids need a good spanking from time to time. Why would I need to question God, He is omniscient. He has the advantage of knowing all things that are good for us.
Your last statement is not a logical one, where did your logic go. If you always do good there is no reason to do wrong, you are just a little kid with much to learn about a world that is ready to chew you up.
GC
(December 27, 2017 at 8:07 am)Brian37 Wrote:(December 26, 2017 at 11:38 pm)Godscreated Wrote: For a Christian lying is never acceptable. Christians respect the moral code that God has given us, do we comply always, no we do not we are humans and we fail, we have seen the need of Jesus to redeem us unto God. Lying to your parents means you do not trust them nor do you respect them and I can tell you this leads to a dangerous life's choice. Of coarse this is all your call but I see it as a disaster later in life. Facing up to your parents now will in the end have a better result.
GC
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
"if through my falsehood", that is in your book. Look it up.
Oh and even outside that, any deity willing to murder kids like the Egyptian Firstborn, and the flood, I think is perfectly capable of lying and wanting his minions to lie for him.
All that just shows your ignorance of God and His scriptures.
GC
(December 27, 2017 at 10:36 am)Joods Wrote:(December 26, 2017 at 4:57 pm)Godscreated Wrote: No they probably do not know, it sounds like they are not Christians either and if they are not, whether they believe in hell or not if the whole family doesn't change you will spend eternity in that non place. Just because you refuse to believe doesn't make what you think correct, it means you are fooling yourself so you can live the life style you have chosen. I just responded to you in another thread where you called Christians pussies, I believe you were actually speaking of yourself since you are afraid to tell them the truth. Oh, you also mention a moral code in the other thread, apparently in the atheist moral code it's okay to lie, that is exactly what you are doing when you withhold the truth from your parents. So the next time you want to rave about Christians I suggest you get the log out of your eye before speaking.
GC
GC,
I really wish you would understand that DA is a teenager who has questions. So your attempt to lay out a guilt trip on a child who is already unsure of his own world, isn't really fair. I think you should re-evaluate some of the things you said here and try a better tactic. Your god would want that.
Exactly how does an atheist know what the God you do not believe in wants. Yes I know he's a kid and I've only been honest with him. What would you have me do lie to him as he lies to his parents. Telling someone that they need to learn to be honest with others is not placing a guilt trip on them, it is a life's lesson that will give them a greater ability to work with others. Once someone learns to deceive others and they think it's been to an advantage they will keep doing the same thing. That person will some day have those lies catch up with them and then hell breaks loose in their life.
GC
(December 27, 2017 at 1:11 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote:(December 26, 2017 at 11:38 pm)Godscreated Wrote: For a Christian lying is never acceptable. Christians respect the moral code that God has given us, do we comply always, no we do not we are humans and we fail, we have seen the need of Jesus to redeem us unto God. Lying to your parents means you do not trust them nor do you respect them and I can tell you this leads to a dangerous life's choice. Of coarse this is all your call but I see it as a disaster later in life. Facing up to your parents now will in the end have a better result.
GC
Why do you need redemption? Do you believe in original sin?
How can my life turn into a disaster? Can you be more specific?
Like every man, woman and child you are sinning against the God who gave you life and holds it in His hand. He simply ask that you believe in His Son and follow Him to receive the redemption you need to live eternally with Him. It is your choice, God has given you that choice and you do have to choose and the alternative will be most unpleasant.
Yes I believe in original sin, didn't it have to start with someone. There are many ways for a persons life to turn into a disaster and they all begin with wrong choices, just like the one you chosen with your parents. You may believe you are getting away with something now and that will embolden you to choose wrongly again because it seemed easy to do the first time, it will all come back to you some day, please mark this down and keep it and see in 25 years if I'm right or wrong.
(December 27, 2017 at 10:44 am)Brian37 Wrote: Die, ignore GC and Alpha. The are not really interested in your mental health, but selling you old mythology.
1. Stay in school
2. Stay out of trouble,
3. Fly under the radar for now, if you need to it does get better
4. When you are old enough, you'll be free from this prison
5. You can always bitch here if you need to.
But for now, if you are not 18 and they pay your bills, you'll simply have to do the best you can. We do understand, we see this kind of thing all the time with other teens too. You are not alone.
Following Brian37 might seem right now but the future will reveal the truth.
1. Do stay in school all would agree that that one.
2. Staying out of trouble means do not start by lying to your parents.
3. How can Brian37 know your future, something drastic could happen before you graduate from high school.
4. You can never be free of the world as long as you play by it's rules, that's why the Bible says, believe in Christ and you will be set free.
5. Making good choices means there will be far less to bitch about.
GC [/quote]
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
