(December 26, 2017 at 6:03 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote:

(December 26, 2017 at 4:57 pm)Godscreated Wrote:   No they probably do not know, it sounds like they are not Christians either and if they are not, whether they believe in hell or not if the whole family doesn't change you will spend eternity in that non place. Just because you refuse to believe doesn't make what you think correct, it means you are fooling yourself so you can live the life style you have chosen. I just responded to you in another thread where you called Christians pussies, I believe you were actually speaking of yourself since you are afraid to tell them the truth. Oh, you also mention a moral code in the other thread, apparently in the atheist moral code it's okay to lie, that is exactly what you are doing when you withhold the truth from your parents. So the next time you want to rave about Christians I suggest you get the log out of your eye before speaking.

GC

I didn't call all christians pussies, just the ones who practice religion out of comfort rather than actual belief. And I didn't say that all atheists are moral or that I'm perfectly moral, I said that there are a lot of rules in the Bible which christians don't respect, I don't have a moral code on paper which I don't respect, that's what I said. And sometimes lying is required. Do you know what would happen if I told my parents the truth? They would be shocked, they would enforce Christianity even more on me. Dad especially would make a scene. I would expect him to forbid me to go to college. So yeah, I'm a bit of a pussy too, but the "imagine that a God exists for comfort" persons are even bigger pussies. They're literally afraid of reality, at the very least I'm afraid of the people I depend on.
Not to mention that I'm a happy case, there are many atheist kids with fundamentalist parents.

The only real "pussies" or "cowards" to me, are not the ones whom admit they are physically weak, but the ones who are  intellectually scared that they might be wrong.

Brawn is only one attribute of our species, but not the most important. Intellect and curiosity are why our species landed on the moon. Ignorance and fear are why ISIS and the KKK do what they do.

(December 26, 2017 at 6:03 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote:

(December 26, 2017 at 4:57 pm)Godscreated Wrote:   No they probably do not know, it sounds like they are not Christians either and if they are not, whether they believe in hell or not if the whole family doesn't change you will spend eternity in that non place. Just because you refuse to believe doesn't make what you think correct, it means you are fooling yourself so you can live the life style you have chosen. I just responded to you in another thread where you called Christians pussies, I believe you were actually speaking of yourself since you are afraid to tell them the truth. Oh, you also mention a moral code in the other thread, apparently in the atheist moral code it's okay to lie, that is exactly what you are doing when you withhold the truth from your parents. So the next time you want to rave about Christians I suggest you get the log out of your eye before speaking.

GC

I didn't call all christians pussies, just the ones who practice religion out of comfort rather than actual belief. And I didn't say that all atheists are moral or that I'm perfectly moral, I said that there are a lot of rules in the Bible which christians don't respect, I don't have a moral code on paper which I don't respect, that's what I said. And sometimes lying is required. Do you know what would happen if I told my parents the truth? They would be shocked, they would enforce Christianity even more on me. Dad especially would make a scene. I would expect him to forbid me to go to college. So yeah, I'm a bit of a pussy too, but the "imagine that a God exists for comfort" persons are even bigger pussies. They're literally afraid of reality, at the very least I'm afraid of the people I depend on.
Not to mention that I'm a happy case, there are many atheist kids with fundamentalist parents.

 For a Christian lying is never acceptable. Christians respect the moral code that God has given us, do we comply always, no we do not we are humans and we fail, we have seen the need of Jesus to redeem us unto God. Lying to your parents means you do not trust them nor do you respect them and I can tell you this leads to a dangerous life's choice. Of coarse this is all your call but I see it as a disaster later in life. Facing up to your parents now will in the end have a better result.

GC

(December 26, 2017 at 4:57 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(December 24, 2017 at 5:23 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: I'm already atheist and I haven't told them yet. Sometimes I wonder if they're sure I'm a believer, if they fear that I only pretend to believe, or that I'll someday leave the faith. When I told my mom I had some doubts about the faith, she insisted that faith is good and I should stay, even though I didn't say I want to leave. She was speaking calmly and gently, but I felt like she was fearing and didn't want to exteriorize it. Dad is also pretty insistent about faith. My parents don't believe in Hell, so it can't be that. What they fear is that I will not follow the herd like a good sheep and life would be harder for me as a minority. 
My question is: are they sure I'm a believer? Can I find the answer without asking them?

Also, Happy Holidays! For those who celebrate them and if you don't, then Happy Nonholidays! or Happy Commercialdays!

  No they probably do not know, it sounds like they are not Christians either and if they are not, whether they believe in hell or not if the whole family doesn't change you will spend eternity in that non place. Just because you refuse to believe doesn't make what you think correct, it means you are fooling yourself so you can live the life style you have chosen. I just responded to you in another thread where you called Christians pussies, I believe you were actually speaking of yourself since you are afraid to tell them the truth. Oh, you also mention a moral code in the other thread, apparently in the atheist moral code it's okay to lie, that is exactly what you are doing when you withhold the truth from your parents. So the next time you want to rave about Christians I suggest you get the log out of your eye before speaking.

GC

That's right, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks.  No one is going to hell regardless of what anyone here thinks.

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(December 26, 2017 at 11:38 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(December 26, 2017 at 6:03 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote: I didn't call all christians pussies, just the ones who practice religion out of comfort rather than actual belief. And I didn't say that all atheists are moral or that I'm perfectly moral, I said that there are a lot of rules in the Bible which christians don't respect, I don't have a moral code on paper which I don't respect, that's what I said. And sometimes lying is required. Do you know what would happen if I told my parents the truth? They would be shocked, they would enforce Christianity even more on me. Dad especially would make a scene. I would expect him to forbid me to go to college. So yeah, I'm a bit of a pussy too, but the "imagine that a God exists for comfort" persons are even bigger pussies. They're literally afraid of reality, at the very least I'm afraid of the people I depend on.
Not to mention that I'm a happy case, there are many atheist kids with fundamentalist parents.

 For a Christian lying is never acceptable. Christians respect the moral code that God has given us, do we comply always, no we do not we are humans and we fail, we have seen the need of Jesus to redeem us unto God. Lying to your parents means you do not trust them nor do you respect them and I can tell you this leads to a dangerous life's choice. Of coarse this is all your call but I see it as a disaster later in life. Facing up to your parents now will in the end have a better result.

GC

And yet they lie all the time and they were more than happy to vote for the biggest liar ever to run for president.

(December 26, 2017 at 11:38 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  For a Christian lying is never acceptable. Christians respect the moral code that God has given us, do we comply always, no we do not we are humans and we fail, we have seen the need of Jesus to redeem us unto God. Lying to your parents means you do not trust them nor do you respect them and I can tell you this leads to a dangerous life's choice. Of coarse this is all your call but I see it as a disaster later in life. Facing up to your parents now will in the end have a better result.

GC

So making them mad and not going to college will make my life better? Do you think that we shouldn't lie because there is a daddy in the sky who watches us? Not all atheists are moral, but the ones who are use logic and empathy to determine their moral code, and I'm sure that moral christians use also these rather than the Bible. If you're doing good out of fear of punishment and for reward you lack empathy. And if you bring the argument that something is right because God said so, it means that you follow him without questions, just like sheep.
Good and evil are relative, sometimes you're forced to do the wrong thing in order to do the right thing.

(December 26, 2017 at 11:38 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(December 26, 2017 at 6:03 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote: I didn't call all christians pussies, just the ones who practice religion out of comfort rather than actual belief. And I didn't say that all atheists are moral or that I'm perfectly moral, I said that there are a lot of rules in the Bible which christians don't respect, I don't have a moral code on paper which I don't respect, that's what I said. And sometimes lying is required. Do you know what would happen if I told my parents the truth? They would be shocked, they would enforce Christianity even more on me. Dad especially would make a scene. I would expect him to forbid me to go to college. So yeah, I'm a bit of a pussy too, but the "imagine that a God exists for comfort" persons are even bigger pussies. They're literally afraid of reality, at the very least I'm afraid of the people I depend on.
Not to mention that I'm a happy case, there are many atheist kids with fundamentalist parents.

 For a Christian lying is never acceptable. Christians respect the moral code that God has given us, do we comply always, no we do not we are humans and we fail, we have seen the need of Jesus to redeem us unto God. Lying to your parents means you do not trust them nor do you respect them and I can tell you this leads to a dangerous life's choice. Of coarse this is all your call but I see it as a disaster later in life. Facing up to your parents now will in the end have a better result.

GC

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha 

"if through my falsehood", that is in your book. Look it up.

Oh and even outside that, any deity willing to murder kids like the Egyptian Firstborn, and the flood, I think is perfectly capable of lying and wanting his minions to lie for him.

(December 26, 2017 at 4:57 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(December 24, 2017 at 5:23 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: I'm already atheist and I haven't told them yet. Sometimes I wonder if they're sure I'm a believer, if they fear that I only pretend to believe, or that I'll someday leave the faith. When I told my mom I had some doubts about the faith, she insisted that faith is good and I should stay, even though I didn't say I want to leave. She was speaking calmly and gently, but I felt like she was fearing and didn't want to exteriorize it. Dad is also pretty insistent about faith. My parents don't believe in Hell, so it can't be that. What they fear is that I will not follow the herd like a good sheep and life would be harder for me as a minority. 
My question is: are they sure I'm a believer? Can I find the answer without asking them?

Also, Happy Holidays! For those who celebrate them and if you don't, then Happy Nonholidays! or Happy Commercialdays!

  No they probably do not know, it sounds like they are not Christians either and if they are not, whether they believe in hell or not if the whole family doesn't change you will spend eternity in that non place. Just because you refuse to believe doesn't make what you think correct, it means you are fooling yourself so you can live the life style you have chosen. I just responded to you in another thread where you called Christians pussies, I believe you were actually speaking of yourself since you are afraid to tell them the truth. Oh, you also mention a moral code in the other thread, apparently in the atheist moral code it's okay to lie, that is exactly what you are doing when you withhold the truth from your parents. So the next time you want to rave about Christians I suggest you get the log out of your eye before speaking.

GC

GC,

I really wish you would understand that DA is a teenager who has questions. So your attempt to lay out a guilt trip on a child who is already unsure of his own world, isn't really fair. I think you should re-evaluate some of the things you said here and try a better tactic. Your god would want that.

Die, ignore GC and Alpha. The are not really interested in your mental health, but selling you old mythology.

1. Stay in school
2. Stay out of trouble,
3. Fly under the radar for now, if you need to it does get better
4. When you are old enough, you'll be free from this prison
5. You can always bitch here if you need to.

But for now, if you are not 18 and they pay your bills, you'll simply have to do the best you can. We do understand, we see this kind of thing all the time with other teens too. You are not alone.

(December 26, 2017 at 11:38 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  For a Christian lying is never acceptable. Christians respect the moral code that God has given us, do we comply always, no we do not we are humans and we fail, we have seen the need of Jesus to redeem us unto God. Lying to your parents means you do not trust them nor do you respect them and I can tell you this leads to a dangerous life's choice. Of coarse this is all your call but I see it as a disaster later in life. Facing up to your parents now will in the end have a better result.

GC

Why do you need redemption? Do you believe in original sin?
How can my life turn into a disaster? Can you be more specific?

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(December 27, 2017 at 10:44 am)Brian37 Wrote: Die, ignore GC and Alpha. The are not really interested in your mental health, but selling you old mythology.

1. Stay in school
2. Stay out of trouble,
3. Fly under the radar for now, if you need to it does get better
4. When you are old enough, you'll be free from this prison
5. You can always bitch here if you need to.

But for now, if you are not 18 and they pay your bills, you'll simply have to do the best you can. We do understand, we see this kind of thing all the time with other teens too. You are not alone.

I'm 18 but I'm in the last year of highschool and I won't be financially stable during college, not in the first year at the very least (I need alot of time for study at the college I wanna go, so I won't have time for a job, except for vacation periods). I will move to another country to study, so at the very least I'll have some time alone.
Thank you very much for your support!

(December 26, 2017 at 11:38 pm)Godscreated Wrote:  For a Christian lying is never acceptable. Christians respect the moral code that God has given us, do we comply always, no we do not we are humans and we fail, we have seen the need of Jesus to redeem us unto God.

Then how do you explain William Lane Craig, Kent Hovind, Ray Comfort, Ken Hamm, Sye Ten Bruggencate...

Hypothetical...

Was it morally acceptable for the people (Christians) hiding Anne Frank and her family during WWII, to lie to the Gestapo when they came to search?

Quote: Lying to your parents means you do not trust them nor do you respect them and I can tell you this leads to a dangerous life's choice. Of coarse this is all your call but I see it as a disaster later in life. Facing up to your parents now will in the end have a better result.

Oh please...

Are you that clueless to understand that there are 1000's of kids that are disowned by their Christian parents for coming out atheists? Or had their finances for college discontinued?

Some of us live in the real world. You should join us some time.

What do your parents believe in specifically? I found that in Germany ( i just assume that you are from germany because of your name) it depends a lot on what the people believe and how active they are in their religious community. If you could tell me that I am sure i can help you.