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Why I'm not a terrorist
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RE: Why I'm not a terrorist
(December 25, 2017 at 12:00 pm)SaStrike Wrote: You said it yourself Atlas, you would discard the book if it disagreed with your internal morals. So you don't need to keep making excuses and finding hidden meanings in your religious text. You're a "good" human because of other natural factors.

Since you already rejected the hadith parts you mention, most will agree that you rejected islam. So basically you just invented your own religion and are hanging onto it for some reason. Quoting the quran like it even makes any difference, in todays world it is outdated and incorrect logically and scientifically. Just admit you're atheist Smile

I found a pretty good haven in it. For the morals I already obtained before dwelling in the faith, it supported them or corrected them.
Take this example: I tended to pay verbal insults with physical reaction when I was so younger than this. But the Islamic "Eye for an eye" law made me cease, and disciplined my actions. If somebody cursed me now, I treat an eye for an eye: I curse back. But never fight words with fists, unless words caused a physical damage; of course.

If Muslims practiced this moral for example; Charlie Hebdo and similar incidents would not find justifications.

So many morals were derived too; and my list kept growing. Some Muslims from the past did the same, and that's what made the Quran so popular.
If I follow the Hadiths; I will chop heads of apostates, stone people who commit sex with other mates while married, throw homosexuals from mountains, and more.

A wide gap there exists between the Quran and the Hadith. So why would I throw away the only book that ordered and commanded people to be good to each other, said men are from women and women are from men, prevented paying words with killing, and so.

(December 25, 2017 at 12:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Or stay atheist as in your case.

But when somebody take out a sword to chop my head when I preach my views; which don't hurt him or call to hurt him; I know something is totally wrong.

Muslims did not invent that either, Atlas.  Xtians did.  The suppression of heretics began virtually as soon as one group of xtians gained enough political power to get away with it.

What is sad is the Muslims doing exactly what Christians and Jews did before them.
Read about the Sicarii before?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicarii


Quote:The Sicarii (Modern Hebrew: סיקריים siqari'im) were a splinter group of the Jewish Zealots who, in the decades preceding Jerusalem's destruction in 70 CE, heavily opposed the Roman occupation of Judea and attempted to expel them and their sympathizers from the area.[1] The Sicarii carried sicae, or small daggers, concealed in their cloaks.[2] At public gatherings, they pulled out these daggers to attack Romans and Hebrew Roman sympathizers alike, blending into the crowd after the deed to escape detection.

The Sicarii were likely one of the earliest forms of an organized assassination unit of cloak and daggers, predating the Islamic Hashishin and Japanese ninjas by centuries.[3][4]

This is the same tactic Islamic terrorists carry on today, literally the same. It's sad and frustrating, because it's just a chain of copy-cats; Jihadists exist in every religion, they all do the same filthy acts, and they all torture and twist their faiths and religions.

Jews did so; Christians did so; and now Muslims are doing so by following the Hadith.

(December 25, 2017 at 2:45 pm)Brian37 Wrote:
(December 25, 2017 at 12:24 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Muslims did not invent that either, Atlas.  Xtians did.  The suppression of heretics began virtually as soon as one group of xtians gained enough political power to get away with it.

Long before Jews and Christians and Muslims you had Terracotta Warriors, whom were trained to kill and show no mercy to enemies.

Point is Atlas, I don't attack any religion out of spite or revenge. Humans have always been tribal. Islam didn't invent brutality either. But until that part of the world faces it's own backwoods thinking, it will be stuck in the past.

And Atlass, in saying this, the sane are not giving Jews or Christians a pass either. 

Christians didn't invent human cruelty either Minn. They got their mythology from Hebrews, whom got their mythology from the Canaanites. 

But in all of antiquity worldwide, most humans lived under local ruling families/tribes, and since the mortality rate was far higher back then, and considering nobody had our modern understanding of evolution, most humans were fierce in defending their local rulers.

Aren't these the men the Chinese statue army represented?
Never knew they were brutal in wars; I saw a documentary about the statues and their Emperor.

Brutality is a resort of so many humans to treat difference. Difference for some -especially dictators- is a source of frustration, and to achieve the goal of enforcing one's idea on the rest, brutality takes place.
Like when some parents start to get physical with their kids if they don't support their views.

Yes, Christians and Jews and Muslims didn't invent that. We have it with us since the dawn of humanity

(December 26, 2017 at 5:12 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(December 25, 2017 at 1:19 am)AtlasS33 Wrote: It should be a lesson to you too, that Sunni religion and Shiite religions are beliefs so different from Islam. Their holy book is a composition between Quran, Hadith and ancient Sunni/Shiite opinions.

So you simply dismiss millions of Muslims that don't interpret Koran as you do. How does this help your argument? That's the "beauty" of religion: you can have "scholars" that spend their whole life studying some book and interpreting it, even convincing millions of people that you're right and then some other person comes along and he is just "Nah, you're wrong" and you can't prove either of them is wrong or right to interpret it.
Muslims see in Koran what they are brought up to see in Koran. As any holy book you can see what ever you want to see in it.

Not like "I" do; but as "language rules" dictate.
Who has language on his side wins the argument about the verse. I dismiss the opinions of so many Muslims, because when they say the Quran "cannot be understood probably". Literally.

That's mainly why it's discarded; and the Sunna (in both Sunni and Shiite forms) replaces it.

Numbers of people mean nothing, if the whole world believed earth is flat; then being the only individual going against them is quite an honor.
Language rules can draw the line between different interpretations, if any showed up. The book is very obvious in its core.

I never saw the Quran like I was brought up to see it: I grew up in Wahhabi schools.
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Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - December 22, 2017 at 11:14 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by AFTT47 - December 23, 2017 at 12:01 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - December 23, 2017 at 12:59 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by AFTT47 - December 24, 2017 at 2:34 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - December 25, 2017 at 1:19 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Fake Messiah - December 26, 2017 at 5:12 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Minimalist - December 23, 2017 at 1:06 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - December 23, 2017 at 1:34 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Minimalist - December 23, 2017 at 11:45 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - December 23, 2017 at 2:38 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Catholic_Lady - December 23, 2017 at 1:55 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - December 23, 2017 at 2:28 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Grand Nudger - December 23, 2017 at 2:04 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by ignoramus - December 23, 2017 at 4:25 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - December 23, 2017 at 10:53 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by robvalue - March 1, 2018 at 3:09 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - March 2, 2018 at 6:27 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 23, 2017 at 7:01 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by MattyVigilante - February 28, 2018 at 11:54 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Catholic_Lady - December 23, 2017 at 7:06 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 23, 2017 at 7:37 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Catholic_Lady - December 23, 2017 at 7:46 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Aoi Magi - December 23, 2017 at 8:32 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - December 23, 2017 at 11:11 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Silver - December 23, 2017 at 10:56 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Catholic_Lady - December 23, 2017 at 11:52 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - December 23, 2017 at 2:43 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Catholic_Lady - December 24, 2017 at 8:47 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by SaStrike - December 25, 2017 at 7:38 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Catholic_Lady - December 26, 2017 at 8:32 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by DodosAreDead - January 9, 2018 at 1:47 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by MysticKnight - December 23, 2017 at 2:04 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Minimalist - December 23, 2017 at 2:39 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by MysticKnight - December 23, 2017 at 2:42 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Fake Messiah - December 24, 2017 at 1:50 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - December 24, 2017 at 2:13 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Fake Messiah - December 24, 2017 at 3:09 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - December 24, 2017 at 7:21 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - December 25, 2017 at 2:30 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by SaStrike - December 25, 2017 at 12:00 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - December 28, 2017 at 3:38 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Minimalist - December 25, 2017 at 12:24 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Brian37 - December 25, 2017 at 2:45 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by ShirkahnW - December 27, 2017 at 5:59 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - December 28, 2017 at 4:59 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by ShirkahnW - December 27, 2017 at 6:08 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by bennyboy - December 28, 2017 at 5:11 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - December 28, 2017 at 5:21 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by ShirkahnW - December 28, 2017 at 7:15 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - December 28, 2017 at 7:58 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Brian37 - December 28, 2017 at 9:24 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - January 14, 2018 at 1:40 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by ShirkahnW - December 28, 2017 at 5:12 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Grand Nudger - January 14, 2018 at 11:58 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - January 15, 2018 at 6:48 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Cyberman - January 15, 2018 at 10:30 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - January 15, 2018 at 1:37 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Cyberman - January 15, 2018 at 7:40 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - January 16, 2018 at 4:10 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Cod - January 16, 2018 at 5:42 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - January 16, 2018 at 10:27 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Cod - January 16, 2018 at 10:35 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Brian37 - January 16, 2018 at 10:48 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - March 2, 2018 at 5:36 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Mister Agenda - February 28, 2018 at 5:24 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - March 2, 2018 at 6:23 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by Cod - January 15, 2018 at 7:45 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2018 at 12:02 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Grand Nudger - January 15, 2018 at 10:58 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Grand Nudger - January 16, 2018 at 11:01 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - March 2, 2018 at 5:53 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by SaStrike - January 16, 2018 at 1:23 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - March 2, 2018 at 6:10 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Valkyrie - March 1, 2018 at 3:37 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - March 2, 2018 at 6:35 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Grand Nudger - March 2, 2018 at 5:43 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Grand Nudger - March 2, 2018 at 5:58 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Grand Nudger - March 2, 2018 at 6:13 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - March 2, 2018 at 10:07 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by CapnAwesome - March 2, 2018 at 6:18 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - March 2, 2018 at 10:35 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Grand Nudger - March 2, 2018 at 6:22 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Grand Nudger - March 2, 2018 at 6:24 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Grand Nudger - March 2, 2018 at 6:32 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Grand Nudger - March 2, 2018 at 10:09 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Grand Nudger - March 2, 2018 at 11:40 am
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - March 3, 2018 at 1:59 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Grand Nudger - March 3, 2018 at 3:05 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by WinterHold - March 3, 2018 at 10:46 pm
RE: Why I'm not a terrorist - by The Grand Nudger - March 3, 2018 at 11:50 pm

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