RE: Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions
December 29, 2017 at 4:34 pm
(This post was last modified: December 29, 2017 at 5:29 pm by RoadRunner79.)
(December 29, 2017 at 2:28 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(December 29, 2017 at 2:22 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:Quote:Genesis 2:7 (KJV)
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
I don't think that say's what you think it says!
And if I thought you had any intention other than using it in any way you find to an advantage in rhetoric, I would bother explaining it to you.
Please, humor us with an explanation. Otherwise you're just dodging the issue with an obvious cop-out.
Well personally, I think it is highly symbolic anyway; however even if that is not the case, simply read it. All it says is that God made Adam alive. It doesn't necessitate anything about the subsequent life that came from Adam or say anything of relevance to this discussion.
However if you are going to define life, by breathing through the lungs, I did get a funny picture of some disgruntled atheists wife, waiting from some poor husbands sleep apnia to make him stop breathing long enough, that she can stab him and it wouldn't be murder!
(December 29, 2017 at 2:21 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(December 29, 2017 at 1:59 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: It seems to me, that many who get picky about these words, mostly want to de-humanize the subject, and I assume so it is easier to reconcile killing it. Would you have a problem, with it; if we just classified it, as a distinct human being, from that of the mother? I think that too much focus on either age or location just clouds the issue.
Politicization of the terms used occurs on both sides. In the same vein, pro-lifers use the terms "human being" and "baby" without acknowledging the very real differences that exist between what we normally refer to with these terms, and what the terms are being used to denote within this debate. Complaining about one side's politicization of the terms without acknowledging your own simply makes you a hypocrite.
Oh... B.S. First I'm not the one, who started nit-picking about terms, and making personal remarks about others intelligence, if they didn't use the right ones. I was responding to something specifically in the context of this thread from someone involved in the conversation, so I think that your calling me a hypocrite is a bit over the top. Not covering the short comings of every variation of the position is not being hypocritical.
Also I think that your examples of "human being" and "baby" are not even comparable. For most regular people, (outside of those advocating the killing of tiny defenseless humans), they are perfectly normal and used all the time. While you may be able to make some argument for the word "baby" I think it would be difficult given normal usage, and current definitions. However "human being" I think is going to be much more difficult, and I think you would need to define what makes them not human in your view. As well, I don't think that current laws are consistent in this area.
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