Ohio bans doctors from performing Down Syndrome abortions

[RoadRunner79]

I don't think that this represents most peoples positions who are against abortion.

I do have empathy for women in this situation.  And I do think that we need to help and support them.  

However, I don't think that the reasons given, justify the intentional killing of a person.

CL has chosen to ignore my question. Can you answer what I asked her on previous page or so? What is it you want accomplished?

I certainly do not support later term abortions, or even here at 10-13 weeks, about the earliest they can detect downs syndrome (a fetus if you like).  
Personally I think that we should err on the side of not killing a human being (so I tend to be conservative).  However the sites I'm looking at, are saying that you aren't even really considered pregnant, until late in the second week, to the third week after conception.  Here, I'm not so sure.

How about you?

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That makes no sense to me at all.  Why would you allow or condone an unjustified killing of a human being for any reason?  I also do not follow or agree with the sentiment that making it illegal is saying anything about their lives being worth less.  It is saying it is wrong to kill the baby, and you will be held accountable if you do so.   Do you think this line of reasoning would hold under any other context.  I also don't think that putting that type of worth, is correct at all, when talking about killing another person.  Would you make the same decision if the child was a toddler, and the parent was threatening to kill either the child or them both?

And if the help and support is not there, then shouldn't we be fighting for that?

The help and support that is not there, would have been closer, if the politicians in charge were more socialist and less capitalist/liberal, don't you think?
Instead, in the states, for some reason, the Republicans/capitalists/liberals are associated with the religious... The core of Christianity, family and helping each other, is completely ignored by those politicians... but people still follow them... And the same thing happens in Europe.

As for worth, a woman can (usually) easily have another child. A child can't easily become a parent. Ultimately, it's about gene perpetuation. If a policy is to be enforced, it should be to favor the woman's life.
Since (or while) no structures exist to support women with unplanned pregnancies, the abortion is a necessity that is felt by some of those women. And they will, if the practice is illegal, perform them clandestinely.
Legal, or illegal, the baby dies. I think this fact is what many in the anti-abortion side don't realize.
Do we, as a society, also want the mother to die? Or have complications arise that will then tax the health care system?

So it seems that you agree, that it is wrong to kill these human beings.  But because some people may try to take things upon themselves and cause further damage or death, it should be legal.  Is this correct?    You reason that this causes more deaths, but doesn't making abortion legal also cause many more deaths?    I have trouble believing some of the numbers I hear for abortions, but they are staggering.  Someone may be injured or die, trying to break into my house to steal my stuff.  However I don't think that this is a reason to make it legal for them to take my stuff (people do it anyway).  Nor am I saying that my stuff is worth more than their life by saying it should be illegal.

Now if you want to talk about care that is needed by those who feel they have no choice.... I'm all for it.  Educate them on what options are available, and make more available.  Yes.
I don't think that finances are really a question, any more than if you are saying that they should be able to kill their toddler, because they cannot handle the burden anymore.

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I disagree and don't think that is what they where intending to convey... and I'm not ignoring the scriptures, I was ignoring you, because I didn't think your intentions where noble.... there's a difference.  But if you would really like to discuss those verses, make a thread, and we'll discuss just that.

You're so transparent it's fucking ridiculous.  You won't answer Vorlon because of his alleged "intentions."  You won't answer me because of my alleged intentions.  It's obvious to everyone and their grandmother that the reason you don't want to answer has everything to do with you, and nothing to do with the intentions of Vorlon and myself.  Answer.  Don't answer.  I don't care.  But stop wasting our time with these pathetic lies.

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So I'm questioning your motivation, and you are questioning mine.... fair enough.   However I'm not going to take this thread down a rabbit trail for you.  As I said, if it is really a concern for you... start a thread.  If not.... goodbye....

I'm not playing this game though.