(January 10, 2018 at 6:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(January 10, 2018 at 6:35 pm)c152 Wrote: Sorry I don't buy into your bs one bit.
The study is extensive and quite conclusive and I will keep it as a source since the results achieved goes against what the researchers were hoping for and especially what the funding organisation that gave them the money for the study was hoping for, virtually all people involved were hoping for a positive result.
Feel free to conduct your own prayer study with people that live up to your standard of belief and I'll look forward to the results.
Let me spell it out for you, science has already acknowledged that is is a fact that belief heals.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magaz...f-placebo/
Quote:Science is showing that how you feel isn’t just about what you eat, or do, or think. It’s about what you believe.
Quote:Pauletich’s improvement after the surgery was impressive. Before the trial he had struggled to move around. He had to constantly explain to clients of his technology development company that his slurred speech wasn’t caused by drinking. After the procedure his shaking disappeared, his mobility improved, and his speech became markedly clearer. (Today you can hardly tell he has the disease at all.) His doctor on the study, Kathleen Poston, was astonished. Strictly speaking, Parkinson’s had never been reversed in humans; the best one could hope for was a slowdown in the progression of the disease, and even that was extremely rare.
Quote:In April 2013, Ceregene announced the results of the trial: Neurturin had failed. Patients who had been treated with the drug did not improve any more significantly than those in a control group who had received a placebo treatment—a sham surgery in which a doctor drilled “divots” into the patient’s skull so that it would feel as if there had been an operation. Ceregene was bought by another company in 2013, and its work on neurturin for Parkinson’s has not been continued.
Poston was crushed. But then she looked at the data and noticed something that stopped her cold. Mike Pauletich hadn’t gotten the real surgery. He had gotten the placebo.
So the fact that belief can heal is not in question, WHETHER IT IS ACHIEVED BY PLACEBO OR PRAYER 'BELIEF' HEALS, THIS IS FACT.
And nothing supernatural or religious was proven, it's not easy for you when there is no true Scotsman.
If one just cooles ones head for a moment something becomes very apparent: can be beneficial, can also be harmful. Goes both ways, like chance, not to be relied upon.
In any case, no god is involved.
"History is something that very few people have been doing while everyone else was ploughing fields and carrying water buckets." -Yuval Noah Harari