(January 20, 2018 at 3:03 am)Astreja Wrote:(January 19, 2018 at 7:00 pm)FireFromHeaven Wrote: Do you or some other atheist have a good argument for how the First Cause (or Prime Mover) could be something other than God.
I see First Cause as a contradiction in terms. "Cause" indicates the ability to take an action, but action requires energy; therefore, energy had to exist before the alleged First Cause acted.
"Second Cause" might be the closest you can get to a creator-god. Creation from nothingness is absurd because creation would require energy, and energy isn't nothingness.
What I find funny is that the first three ways really point to pantheism. The Big Bang happened, and all (well... most, given anti-matter) of the matter and energy from that event are here as the universe.
The final two ways are really just "Nuh uh, the creator is intelligent and purposeful, so there."
