RE: Another argument for God.
January 20, 2018 at 5:44 pm
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2018 at 5:50 pm by Mystic.)
(January 20, 2018 at 5:42 pm)polymath257 Wrote:(January 20, 2018 at 5:03 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: 1. The brain is very complex.
2. Humans throughout history have not understood the brain.
3. If the brain is the source of morality and goodness, then most of humans throughout history have not understood how that is even possible given they have not understood the brain.
4. If we don't know it's possible the source of morality and goodness is the brain and naturalism is true (no spirits, no mystic reality, etc), then we aren't justified in belief in morals and morality.
5. If we aren't justified in beliefs in morals and goodness, then goodness is an illusion.
6. Goodness is not an illusion.
- Therefore naturalism is not true.
7. If naturalism is not true, then it is possible to justify belief in morality and goodness.
-thus We are justified in belief in morals and goodness.
8. If we are justified we must all know we are justified.
9. Without knowing the source of morality even in case of naturalism being false, we aren't justified.
-thus Therefore we know the source of morality.
10. The source of morality giving how important morality is by definition the most sacred and important thing to be valued.
thus-God exists.
Sorry, your argument fails starting at #3. it gets much worse after that.
What is the problem with 3? If we have no idea how the brain can generate morals and make goodness binding on us, we don't know it's not an illusion.
What if it's a chaotic process that is just makes us feel good and cooperate but has no reality? And that we all dispute about it because of that?
Let's see a real problem with this premise. Remember people didn't understand chemistry all that like today, so none of that could justify it in the past.
(January 20, 2018 at 5:43 pm)zebo-the-fat Wrote: "5. If we aren't justified in beliefs in morals and goodness, then goodness is an illusion.
6. Goodness is not an illusion."
No, morals and the idea of "goodness" is defined by culture, one culture may think it's good to deny women a vote or ban them from driving, another may think it's good to keep black people as slaves
What people actually CLAIM to believe and think is one thing, what they actually know and believe is another.
Yes if we take everyone on their claims to knowledge, then there is no such thing as knowledge. And if we take everyone claim at what they deem morality then there is no morality.
(January 20, 2018 at 5:44 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Amazing to me the bullshit primates conjure up because they are bored. I think being a primate is fascinating! MK! Get in touch with your apey apeness!
Thanks for showing a sufficient reason why God would not creates us from primates.