(January 20, 2018 at 6:37 pm)polymath257 Wrote:(January 20, 2018 at 5:44 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: What is the problem with 3? If we have no idea how the brain can generate morals and make goodness binding on us, we don't know it's not an illusion.
What if it's a chaotic process that is just makes us feel good and cooperate but has no reality? And that we all dispute about it because of that?
Let's see a real problem with this premise. Remember people didn't understand chemistry all that like today, so none of that could justify it in the past.
What people actually CLAIM to believe and think is one thing, what they actually know and believe is another.
Yes if we take everyone on their claims to knowledge, then there is no such thing as knowledge. And if we take everyone claim at what they deem morality then there is no morality.
Thanks for showing a sufficient reason why God would not creates us from primates.
On the contrary, we can know about some aspects of morality without knowing where it comes from. Whether or not it is 'chaotic', it is still an aspect of human existence.
As an analogy, we don't have to know exactly how sight works in order to see. In fact, people had faulty ideas about light and sight for thousands of years, but still were able to get reliable information from vision. Knowing how the eyes and brain process visual information isn't required to see.
The same thing happens in morality. We can look around and know what leads to better societies and base our morality off of that, even if we do not know the deeper mechanisms.
(January 20, 2018 at 5:51 pm)Brian37 Wrote: No Poly, MK's argument failed from #1.
Argument from complexity is NOT an argument. It isn't when Christians or Jews try to argue complexity either. Dont feed MK, he is in the same boat as Roadrunner or Catholic Lady.
But the brain *is* complex.
I agree that doesn't make it a good argument for the existence of a deity. But the statement in #1 is correct in and of itself.
NO, that is precisely why #1 fails, because it is NOT an original argument owned by one religion.
They all argue it. The brain being complex being correct STILL does not point to any god of any name.
