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God does not determine right and wrong
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RE: God does not determine right and wrong
(January 26, 2018 at 11:25 pm)Alexmahone Wrote: I found this in A Universe from Nothing by Lawrence Krauss.

To religious people: If god declared that rape and murder were morally acceptable, would that make them so? 

Most of you would probably say that god would not say such a thing. But why not? Presumably because god would have some reason for not making such a declaration. But this means that there is some reason for finding rape and murder to be morally wrong. In which case, why can't we appeal to reason directly and remove god from the discussion?

I'm not a "religious people" Blush, but here's my 2 ¢ worth . . .

It depends on which god is being mooted. There are many, and they vary from one religion, and from one person to another. Different people have different ideas of what "God" is, and what "God" demands. So obviously they can't all be correct. How do people decide what god, and therefore what is good or bad. The answer is that they use their own standards for what is right or wrong, for what is true or false, for what is moral or not. One hears of people searching for the truth, and looking for "God" etc. When they find it, it is their own mind and standards which tell them they are there. So in advance they have judged the god that they find, then they declare that they have found it.

Otherwise surely, people must mindlessly accept the word of a god, (I'm ignoring how they know that what they believe is true).
There are no atheists in terrorist training camps.



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God does not determine right and wrong - by Alexmahone - January 26, 2018 at 11:25 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Catholic_Lady - January 26, 2018 at 11:27 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by vorlon13 - January 27, 2018 at 9:03 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 27, 2018 at 11:04 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 27, 2018 at 6:59 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 27, 2018 at 7:07 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 27, 2018 at 7:52 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 27, 2018 at 8:48 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by bennyboy - January 27, 2018 at 9:24 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Brian37 - January 29, 2018 at 7:35 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 27, 2018 at 1:22 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Minimalist - January 27, 2018 at 1:52 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 27, 2018 at 3:34 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Minimalist - January 27, 2018 at 11:03 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 27, 2018 at 7:34 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Nay_Sayer - January 27, 2018 at 7:46 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 27, 2018 at 8:14 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Nay_Sayer - January 27, 2018 at 9:26 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by brewer - January 27, 2018 at 10:56 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by vorlon13 - January 27, 2018 at 8:52 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Grandizer - January 27, 2018 at 2:02 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - January 27, 2018 at 10:28 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by LadyForCamus - January 27, 2018 at 10:32 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 27, 2018 at 5:48 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by LadyForCamus - January 27, 2018 at 10:10 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by shadow - January 29, 2018 at 12:10 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 1, 2018 at 7:23 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 7:37 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - February 1, 2018 at 11:46 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - January 27, 2018 at 11:05 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Grandizer - February 8, 2018 at 10:35 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Grandizer - February 9, 2018 at 12:54 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - February 8, 2018 at 11:48 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by LadyForCamus - January 27, 2018 at 11:09 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 27, 2018 at 6:54 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by vorlon13 - January 27, 2018 at 8:04 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by SteveII - January 27, 2018 at 12:53 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Whateverist - January 27, 2018 at 7:05 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by brewer - January 27, 2018 at 8:10 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 27, 2018 at 9:01 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 28, 2018 at 2:31 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Nay_Sayer - January 28, 2018 at 3:31 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by LadyForCamus - January 28, 2018 at 9:30 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 29, 2018 at 7:30 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2018 at 9:24 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 1, 2018 at 7:38 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 7:43 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 1, 2018 at 7:52 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by shadow - February 1, 2018 at 11:53 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Grandizer - February 1, 2018 at 7:45 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by LadyForCamus - February 1, 2018 at 12:28 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 6:28 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 5:36 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Mister Agenda - February 2, 2018 at 11:21 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 28, 2018 at 10:56 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 29, 2018 at 7:44 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 29, 2018 at 11:37 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by CapnAwesome - January 27, 2018 at 9:07 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 27, 2018 at 9:17 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by LadyForCamus - January 27, 2018 at 11:24 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 27, 2018 at 11:43 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 28, 2018 at 3:34 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by vorlon13 - January 29, 2018 at 10:09 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Mr.wizard - January 28, 2018 at 9:37 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Cinjin - January 28, 2018 at 1:03 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Ignorant - January 29, 2018 at 6:49 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Sal - January 29, 2018 at 7:47 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - January 29, 2018 at 8:32 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Catholic_Lady - January 29, 2018 at 12:13 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by shadow - January 29, 2018 at 12:26 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Brian37 - January 29, 2018 at 6:15 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by vorlon13 - January 29, 2018 at 12:54 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 29, 2018 at 1:08 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by vorlon13 - January 29, 2018 at 1:17 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Whateverist - January 29, 2018 at 1:00 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 29, 2018 at 5:39 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 29, 2018 at 6:14 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Chad32 - January 29, 2018 at 11:46 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Magilla - February 1, 2018 at 9:28 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 5:52 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Magilla - February 3, 2018 at 2:21 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Cyberman - February 3, 2018 at 3:22 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 6:48 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 7:06 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Sal - February 2, 2018 at 7:12 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by vorlon13 - February 2, 2018 at 10:39 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 5:27 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 6:33 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 7:09 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Sal - February 2, 2018 at 7:23 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Banned - February 2, 2018 at 7:24 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Magilla - February 3, 2018 at 8:47 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Jeezypete - February 4, 2018 at 2:23 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Succubus - February 4, 2018 at 6:14 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by John V - February 8, 2018 at 7:19 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Grandizer - February 8, 2018 at 9:52 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by John V - February 8, 2018 at 9:54 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - February 8, 2018 at 2:55 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - February 9, 2018 at 10:48 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - February 9, 2018 at 11:29 am
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - February 9, 2018 at 12:16 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by polymath257 - February 9, 2018 at 6:23 pm
RE: God does not determine right and wrong - by Imabeliever - February 12, 2018 at 5:22 pm

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