God does not determine right and wrong

[The Industrial Atheist]

Killing babies is never morally acceptable.

I never thought I would have to state that as an opinion. The fact that you disagree is reprehensible, and I think you are a horrible person for trying to come up with some sick justification for why murdering babies due to their lineage is okay. Your bible is twisted, and the closer you come to following it, the more evil you become.

I don't kill babies, try your nearest cockatrice of high order Masons, Jesuits and Satanists.

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Like, the only time I would condone killing babies is if we were have a barbecue. That's the only time. And I would make sure to eat all of the meat - I can't stand baby killing for sport.

In the previous post it's gigantic letters against killing babies, and in the very next post you make a joke about it.

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What's the point of paying lip service to a god who supposedly knows our thoughts and actions? He knows what we're thinking, so we might as well say it. He doesn't seem to differentiate thoughts and actions anyway.

Did you know that in the day of Judgement, you will be the judge, and your own mouth will justify or condemn yourself?

God doesn't need to say anything against the people who create their own unbelief, rebellion and confession of evil.

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Thought crimes are a lot of what keeps it going. Even if you can obey all the rules concerning actions, eek you had impure thought! Now you have to come crawling to god for forgiveness, how wretched is someone who for nay time even 45 seconds wants what someone else has or or for a brief time has sexual thoughts about someone they aren't married to.

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He should have spoken the AICD (Anti Iron Chariot Device) into existence.

If you love someone, your thoughts will not be desperate and greedy. If committing adultery in your mind is the problem, love will take that absurd need away.
Hating God is self destructive.

For me it's just thought fornication. My point is you shouldn't need to feel guilty about thoughts as thoughts hurt no one at all. Sorry. Jeebus and the bible don't work as an off switch to the natural thoughts and desires we evolved with. (You would say god put them there).

The bible basically ignores that single people are the same as married people and have all the same desires and impulses. Either that or it assumes that everybody is capable of being married at the age of 12. Plenty of people, especially mentally or physically disabled people find it difficult to marry at all.

It even says married people should have sex often so that they aren't tempted to be unfaithful. That tells me the author knows what it's like. Yet even though he knows that,
he expects single people to behave the opposite of what people are like in reality!

It's part of why I quit Christianity. People shouldn't feel guilty about that stuff particularly when their situation gives them no other option.

[Chad32]

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What's the point of paying lip service to a god who supposedly knows our thoughts and actions? He knows what we're thinking, so we might as well say it. He doesn't seem to differentiate thoughts and actions anyway.

Did you know that in the day of Judgement, you will be the judge, and your own mouth will justify or condemn yourself?

God doesn't need to say anything against the people who create their own unbelief, rebellion and confession of evil.

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Thought crimes are a lot of what keeps it going. Even if you can obey all the rules concerning actions, eek you had impure thought! Now you have to come crawling to god for forgiveness, how wretched is someone who for nay time even 45 seconds wants what someone else has or or for a brief time has sexual thoughts about someone they aren't married to.

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He should have spoken the AICD (Anti Iron Chariot Device) into existence.

If you love someone, your thoughts will not be desperate and greedy. If committing adultery in your mind is the problem, love will take that absurd need away.
Hating God is self destructive.

In that case I won't have anything to worry about. I certainly don't consider myself a bad person, especially compared to Yahweh.

In a sense, hating someone is self destructive. But if the followers of this religion didn't have a history of killing and persecution, then we probably wouldn't have such nasty things to say about their god.

Disparate thoughts are just that anyway. Something that comes and goes, like all emotions do. Looking at a hot woman that isn't your wife/steady girlfriend, or husband/steady boyfriend, should not be a crime.

[shadow]

What do you think is really taking place?

Why don't you tell me, according to your replies, you seem to know so much about what I think, say and do?

You are representing that you follow and agree with the entire bible, correct? Including a passage about killing babies. Thus, I have a whole book about what you believe, and I take issue with much of it.

I don't understand what your comment meant. You said "I don't joke about what really takes place". Which would be what... atheists eating babies? That's what I was joking about, so you think that actually takes place?

[LadyForCamus]

Whatever twisted mental gymnastics, and rationalizations you have to make in order to defend the indefensible, I guess.  I’m gonna stick with: killing babies is bad.  Thanks.

If you have any further questions, you could ask God and get some direct answers.

LOL.  Oh, yeah?  I didn’t know he had a direct number.  I’ll stick with thinking for myself, thanks.

[Mister Agenda]

Whatever twisted mental gymnastics, and rationalizations you have to make in order to defend the indefensible, I guess.  I’m gonna stick with: killing babies is bad.  Thanks.

If you have any further questions, you could ask God and get some direct answers.

Experience suggests otherwise. If 'asking God' gave better results than 'thinking about it', it would be evidence that SOMETHING exists which actually answers prayers...but people who pray can't find out anything they didn't already know.

[Magilla]

I found this in A Universe from Nothing by Lawrence Krauss.

To religious people: If god declared that rape and murder were morally acceptable, would that make them so? 

Most of you would probably say that god would not say such a thing. But why not? Presumably because god would have some reason for not making such a declaration. But this means that there is some reason for finding rape and murder to be morally wrong. In which case, why can't we appeal to reason directly and remove god from the discussion?

I'm not a "religious people" , but here's my 2 ¢ worth . . .

It depends on which god is being mooted. There are many, and they vary from one religion, and from one person to another. Different people have different ideas of what "God" is, and what "God" demands. So obviously they can't all be correct. How do people decide what god, and therefore what is good or bad. The answer is that they use their own standards for what is right or wrong, for what is true or false, for what is moral or not. One hears of people searching for the truth, and looking for "God" etc. When they find it, it is their own mind and standards which tell them they are there. So in advance they have judged the god that they find, then they declare that they have found it.

Otherwise surely, people must mindlessly accept the word of a god, (I'm ignoring how they know that what they believe is true).

[The Grand Nudger]

 So in advance they have judged the god that they find, then they declare that they have found it.

That self same standard is then employed in making said god "fit" with whatever they were already looking for.  It;s not difficult to understand why, or how, this happens.  It would be an amazing coincidence if some ancient writer got it right by anything more than the most general of measure with regards to some modern persons standards.  We all have opur ticks, my ticks are not their ticks nor are they the ticks of that ancient writer, and so all gods get personal refinements in spite of magic books descriptions.  Without them, they wouldn't be "right"..or even marginally compelling.  

That's why I always suggest to people, if they believe in a blood god..to at least entertain the notion that they do so because they -want- a bloodgod.  Whatever peace they have to make with themselves on that count is their own business, but entirely more useful and wholly more self aware than the endless parade of bullshit presented to everyone on earth, themselves included, called apologetics.

A creationist doesn't -want- to be "just an animal"..conveniently, their god says that they are not, regardless of that being a distinction that makes no difference.  A person who believes in hell -wants- there to be a hell, either to contain themselves or to contain others, and this is regardless of whether or not there is one.  A person who doesn't want to die is entirely likely to believe in a god that offers eternal life..while a person who wishes only for a dreamless sleep imagines a god that will grant them precisely that..and then seeks to find one "out there" in the world.  Often enough, people with all of these competing and contradictory desires for god arrive at the same gods..to the amazement of non-believers and other believers alike.

We hear this all the time, though I don't think that many believers actually make the connection, when we're treated to anything along the lines of "if there where no god, I would wish that there were".  Well, ofc they do..and that's a big part of why..for them, there is..why they went searching for one..and why they "found" the one they did.

[Banned]

Experience suggests otherwise. If 'asking God' gave better results than 'thinking about it', it would be evidence that SOMETHING exists which actually answers prayers...but people who pray can't find out anything they didn't already know.

Really?

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It's part of why I quit Christianity. People shouldn't feel guilty about that stuff particularly when their situation gives them no other option.

I don't blame you for leaving the church. Churches like to stand by the bedside and in every corner of your mind...

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...I certainly don't consider myself a bad person, especially compared to Yahweh.

In a sense, hating someone is self destructive. But if the followers of this religion didn't have a history of killing and persecution, then we probably wouldn't have such nasty things to say about their god.

Disparate thoughts are just that anyway. Something that comes and goes, like all emotions do. Looking at a hot woman that isn't your wife/steady girlfriend, or husband/steady boyfriend, should not be a crime.

I get what you are saying...it would be nice to have a consistency with the thoughts and actions though, and I think we all crave for that liberty. The trouble is that often what we think, does not agree with doing good, and that's where most people draw the line.

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You are representing that you follow and agree with the entire bible, correct? Including a passage about killing babies. Thus, I have a whole book about what you believe, and I take issue with much of it.

I don't understand what your comment meant. You said "I don't joke about what really takes place". Which would be what... atheists eating babies? That's what I was joking about, so you think that actually takes place?

I haven't looked at the killing babies texts in detail, I'm going off memory. But I'm fairly certain that they have been blown out of context. And the not joking part wasn't about atheists, but Satanists.

[The Grand Nudger]

Do you find yourself commonly thinking about doing The Bad Stuff™.  Maybe it's just you?

[Banned]

I'm not a "religious people" , but here's my 2 ¢ worth . . .

It depends on which god is being mooted. There are many, and they vary from one religion, and from one person to another. Different people have different ideas of what "God" is, and what "God" demands. So obviously they can't all be correct. How do people decide what god, and therefore what is good or bad. The answer is that they use their own standards for what is right or wrong, for what is true or false, for what is moral or not. One hears of people searching for the truth, and looking for "God" etc. When they find it, it is their own mind and standards which tell them they are there. So in advance they have judged the god that they find, then they declare that they have found it.

Otherwise surely, people must mindlessly accept the word of a god, (I'm ignoring how they know that what they believe is true).

It's just my opinion, but Atheists generally want to dismiss God, Jesus Christ the Son of God, and or the God of the Bible and Christianity, perhaps Judaism.

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Do you find yourself commonly thinking about doing The Bad Stuff™.  Maybe it's just you?

All humans are naturally self centered. Sin begins there, in the mind, and has its results in actions.
Selfishness is not too far away from self preservation, and it is exasperated by the fear of death and surviving.
There is no sin in preserving self, but at the expense of others may lead to sin.